to see them.August 31, 2010
Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010
Joseph Hartvigsen
To: davis ron
Cc: Peter Ruyter
Ron,
Why don't you publish all of your private business details? Obviously because
they are not really anyone else's business. Since you are making a stink about this Peter is willing to open the record of a private business transaction and show you,
but he is not (and no one else would either) going to give you a copy. You can
see the transaction documents and you can meet Ingella and see original
documents regarding the design and production of the spoons, but you don't
get to keep them. They don't belong to you. That is the only way you are going
to see them.
Any reasonable person including Brian would follow the logic I've stated and
re-stated.
The spoons exist. Therefore they were created and the creator owns the copyright
as described in circ01.pdf from copyright.gov The copyright is valid for the
life of
the creator plus 70 years (or some such number). It is real property that be
inherited
(hence Ingella's ownership when this all started), and sold (hence Peter's
current
ownership). All of these are provable, but they are all also private documents.
Again,
to a rational person, you would not need to make the trip to Sweden to accept
this.
But you are clearly irrational, so the only way to get past this and leave us
alone
is for use to fly you to Sweden and host you there and show you.
And, as I've told you about the meeting with Brian, he wasn't interested in
anything
related to the existence of Ingella. He didn't dispute the existence of the
copyright,
or its original ownership by Mr. Carlson, and its transfer to Ingella and then
to Peter.
His position was that it was moot because of the application of copyright to
functional
aspects of design.
Joe
----- Original Message ----
From: davis ron
To: Joseph Hartvigsen
Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 9:15:55 AM
Subject: I'm still planning to get back to you after relaying your request to
Peter for a formal and public invitation listing what you will see when you
visit him.
Joe,
Why didn't you and Ruyter present the proof of design ownership you claim to
have to patent attorney Brian Kunzler on Dec.23, 09, as you said you would a
number of times?
Ron Davis
