Monday, October 4, 2010
Hartvigsen puts photos of damaged turgo spoons on site, Feb.28, 09
Max,
Sorry to be so slow but it has been a busy week at work so I haven't
had much time to spend on hydro.
I've put some photos in this folder in the group's file area
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/microhydro/files/Copied_Runner/
There are two new photos with views of a runner made with low quality
aluminum castings. Text to the runner are the original plastic spoons
which were used to make these un-authorized aluminum copies and for
comparison the precision investment cast stainless steel which is heat
treated for high hardness and tensile strength. One of the stainless
spoons is shown with the optional polished surface.
I have a good camera but for file size I've reduced the resolution. It
is still hard to really show the difference in a photo compared to
directly viewing the parts. However, these copies are bad enough that
you can see many of the defects.
I've also put photos of the original 16 orange turgo runner I made 10
years ago for my system. These photos are probably elsewhere in the
group area and on Wim's site but I put them here for comparison.
Joe
Nando to Yahoo microhydro group: "..copyrighted Turgo spoons is killing the WATERMOTOR project and YOU KNOW IT", March 4, 2009
Nando: "..the copyrighted Turgo spoons is killing the WATERMOTOR project and YOU KNOW IT" "...and Joe
asked me to assist her". March 4, 2009
Reply Message #11665 of 12578 <>
Re: [microhydro] Open Letter to Wim Klunne---Re "Nando" alert March 4, 09
RON:
Wrong and You Know that is not like that -- you have worded the message
carefully to your liking.
I never contacted a client of yours in Costa Rica, Ginnee due to the flak and
garbage you sent to her, because she have to have bronze Turgo spoons , in where
you included flak with Joe Hartvigsen name and she searched for him and Joe
asked me to assist her .
I was not aware of the existence of Ginnee, until I got the message which was
already a long time after the problem was in existence -- Ron , yourself, gave
Ginnee the parameters for her to ask for help, your obsession to use the
copyrighted Turgo spoons is killing the WATERMOTOR project and YOU KNOW IT --
but continues with the same downfall path -- instead of correcting yourself and
give yourself a better chance to continue with your life peacefully.
I do not care about you, and I am not try to be your enemy or detractor -- just
change your behavior and give peace to yourself and who contact you !!.
Ginnee order of turbines and what ever happened after that is her own decision
and Joe or I were not involved at all -- we appeared long after the problem was
in existence -- for sure
The aluminum issue was Ginnee alone and it was good for her -- and after my
linking with her and knowing what she site has, I concur with her -- and you
should have respected her true order and not tried to change for your own
benefit !!.
Nando
----- Original Message -----
From: Otto Rike
To: microhydro@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [microhydro] Open Letter to Wim Klunne---Re "Nando" alert March
4, 09
Message to Klunne-re Nando, March 4, 09
From: Otto Rike
Subject: "Nando" just for the record
To: "Wim Klunne"
Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 10:18 PM
Wim,
It seems that "Nando" has contacted a client of ours in Costa Rica through
your group who had ordered two Watermotors with aluminum runners in order to
convince her that aluminum is worthless for turbine blades, and that I was just
trying to cheat her. This caused her to threaten to cancel her order, as
intended.
Then she began to demand bronze runners from me at no charge. This has, as
intended, caused a lot of trouble.
As you know, this is not the first time "Nando" has done this sort of
thing.
I reported another incident of this sort in which he sent hate mail about
me to a member who had expressed interest in helping a small water powered
lighting project here in Bolivia.
When I asked you to take some kind of action to prevent this type of
behavior on your site, you expelled me from the group.
I want to know what you intend to do about it this time.
Ron Davis
watermotor@...
--- On Tue, 10/27/09, alberto rivera wrote:
From: alberto rivera
Subject: Re: [microhydro] Open Letter to Wim Klunne---what proof did you ask
from Hancock, "Nando"?
To: microhydro@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 4:22 PM
Now that Wim has given clearance for Ron Davis to respond, and Ginnee's
questions are quite explicit and unambiguous, Ron's straightforward reply
would be a great opportunity to clear his name. Ron? We should put a closure to
this soonest.
Thanks & regards.
Rocky
--- On Tue, 10/27/09, Wim Jonker Klunne
wrote:
From: Wim Jonker Klunne
Subject: Re: [microhydro] Open Letter to Wim Klunne---what proof did you ask
from Hancock, "Nando"?
To: microhydro@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 3:15 PM
Dear Group,
As a follow-up on the email sent by Ginnee several messages have been
sent by Ron Davis all with a similar content that he was (uncorrectly)
assuming that he would not be allowed to respond to the message by
Ginnee. Although I immediately responded to him that he would certainly
be allowed to respond, the message below was his reaction.
I just want to ensure both the group and Ron that I will allow Ron to
respond to the message by Ginnee.
Kind regards,
Wim
davis ron wrote:
>Wim,
>
>Wim,
> For several years you have been publishing highly damaging accusations about
me, to which I am not allowed to reply, and have just done so again. Have you
ever asked Hartvigsen or Ruyter for proof of their defamatory statements about
me posted on your site? Did you ask Ginnee Hancock for any proof at all for her
statements?
>
> Well, as we see she has already told everyone she will NOT provide the email
record to support her accusations.
> What she is telling everybody is that YOU did not ask her for any proof nor
did you verify her statements. She knew she didnt have to because you will not
ask for it.
> Where does that leave you?
>
> The group members should know about this.
>
>Ron Davis
>
asked me to assist her". March 4, 2009
Reply Message #11665 of 12578 <>
Re: [microhydro] Open Letter to Wim Klunne---Re "Nando" alert March 4, 09
RON:
Wrong and You Know that is not like that -- you have worded the message
carefully to your liking.
I never contacted a client of yours in Costa Rica, Ginnee due to the flak and
garbage you sent to her, because she have to have bronze Turgo spoons , in where
you included flak with Joe Hartvigsen name and she searched for him and Joe
asked me to assist her .
I was not aware of the existence of Ginnee, until I got the message which was
already a long time after the problem was in existence -- Ron , yourself, gave
Ginnee the parameters for her to ask for help, your obsession to use the
copyrighted Turgo spoons is killing the WATERMOTOR project and YOU KNOW IT --
but continues with the same downfall path -- instead of correcting yourself and
give yourself a better chance to continue with your life peacefully.
I do not care about you, and I am not try to be your enemy or detractor -- just
change your behavior and give peace to yourself and who contact you !!.
Ginnee order of turbines and what ever happened after that is her own decision
and Joe or I were not involved at all -- we appeared long after the problem was
in existence -- for sure
The aluminum issue was Ginnee alone and it was good for her -- and after my
linking with her and knowing what she site has, I concur with her -- and you
should have respected her true order and not tried to change for your own
benefit !!.
Nando
----- Original Message -----
From: Otto Rike
To: microhydro@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [microhydro] Open Letter to Wim Klunne---Re "Nando" alert March
4, 09
Message to Klunne-re Nando, March 4, 09
From: Otto Rike
Subject: "Nando" just for the record
To: "Wim Klunne"
Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 10:18 PM
Wim,
It seems that "Nando" has contacted a client of ours in Costa Rica through
your group who had ordered two Watermotors with aluminum runners in order to
convince her that aluminum is worthless for turbine blades, and that I was just
trying to cheat her. This caused her to threaten to cancel her order, as
intended.
Then she began to demand bronze runners from me at no charge. This has, as
intended, caused a lot of trouble.
As you know, this is not the first time "Nando" has done this sort of
thing.
I reported another incident of this sort in which he sent hate mail about
me to a member who had expressed interest in helping a small water powered
lighting project here in Bolivia.
When I asked you to take some kind of action to prevent this type of
behavior on your site, you expelled me from the group.
I want to know what you intend to do about it this time.
Ron Davis
watermotor@...
--- On Tue, 10/27/09, alberto rivera
From: alberto rivera
Subject: Re: [microhydro] Open Letter to Wim Klunne---what proof did you ask
from Hancock, "Nando"?
To: microhydro@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 4:22 PM
Now that Wim has given clearance for Ron Davis to respond, and Ginnee's
questions are quite explicit and unambiguous, Ron's straightforward reply
would be a great opportunity to clear his name. Ron? We should put a closure to
this soonest.
Thanks & regards.
Rocky
--- On Tue, 10/27/09, Wim Jonker Klunne
wrote:
From: Wim Jonker Klunne
Subject: Re: [microhydro] Open Letter to Wim Klunne---what proof did you ask
from Hancock, "Nando"?
To: microhydro@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 3:15 PM
Dear Group,
As a follow-up on the email sent by Ginnee several messages have been
sent by Ron Davis all with a similar content that he was (uncorrectly)
assuming that he would not be allowed to respond to the message by
Ginnee. Although I immediately responded to him that he would certainly
be allowed to respond, the message below was his reaction.
I just want to ensure both the group and Ron that I will allow Ron to
respond to the message by Ginnee.
Kind regards,
Wim
davis ron wrote:
>Wim,
>
>Wim,
> For several years you have been publishing highly damaging accusations about
me, to which I am not allowed to reply, and have just done so again. Have you
ever asked Hartvigsen or Ruyter for proof of their defamatory statements about
me posted on your site? Did you ask Ginnee Hancock for any proof at all for her
statements?
>
> Well, as we see she has already told everyone she will NOT provide the email
record to support her accusations.
> What she is telling everybody is that YOU did not ask her for any proof nor
did you verify her statements. She knew she didnt have to because you will not
ask for it.
> Where does that leave you?
>
> The group members should know about this.
>
>Ron Davis
>
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