lead these activities to court in any civilized country around the world.."
Dec. 17, 2005
Plasticspoons
1 of 1 10/04/07 13:23
Subject: Plasticspoons
From: Peter Ruyter
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 00:01:20 +0100
To: davis ron
Mr Davis
In my mail of 00-09-12 I have given you my opinion about your way to walk at the earth.
I can one moore time tell you: You are at the wrong side of normal sense. I am the owner of
all produced plastic spoons, red, white and blue. If anybody without my autorization copie
one of these products for using to make repeting production of these products I am able to
lead these activities to court in any civilized country around the world as a case of
illegal use of copyright.
If you understand these, we can negotiate about royalty, copycost, rental or what you ever
like to call the right to do a copieactivites with our property as masterform. Read
carefully my mail of 00-09-12. You have allready done many professionals at the group
silent and without willing to give know-how to the forum.
As I said, you have realy destroyed the possibility for many poor peoples to take part of
developing works.
I enclose the old mails text, to refresh your memory:
Evening Ron and Diane.
I am a litlle bit sad, beqaus you not answering my mails.
And when I understand you are using my work and make copies of our products.
Its very sad, and its a backslash for whole area of intrest for spending
time, love and monye for developing good working hydroproducts with small
economical frames.
I look for a good explanation and I hope to come in mode for spending moore
power to develop better things and moore power to pore peoples.
Peter
I have also invited you to Sweden, to have a vistit at the family where we overtok the
spoons. The widow, Ingela have ben informed about you and she is not impressed.
Hereby I invite you again, to visit us and meet Ingela and look at her former husbands work.
If you find anything incorrect against all information you have got in this case, I will pay
all of your cost from the minute you leave your home untill the minute you arrive back.
If you understand, during this vsisit, all information you have got are correct, you have to
give Joe Hartvigsen, my US partner, an open mail there you regret all of your activites.
--
All the best!
Peter Ruyter
(owner&responsible)
Cargo &Kraft Turbin Sverige AB
SE-739 92 SKINNSKATTEBERG
SWEDEN
Smallscale hydropower.
2 kW to 4000 kW
1 meter to 30 meter head.
www.hydropower.nu
Phone : +46 222 280 80
Fax: +46 222 280 20
alt: +46 222 280 79
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pocoloco
1 of 1 10/04/07 13:24
Subject: pocoloco
From: Peter Ruyter
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:24:11 +0100
To: Joseph Hartvigsen
Hi Joe!
I have find the earliest mail to pocon when I first time finded out he was makin copies..
I have also finded lot of other s-talk from him..
Do you want me to mail him direkt like:
Mr Davis
In my mail of 00-09-12 I have given you my opinion about your way to walk at the earth.
I can one moore time tell you: You are at the wrong side of normal sense. I am the owner of all produced plastic spoons, red,
white or blue. If anybody without my autorization copie one of these products for using to make repeting production of these
products I am able to lead these activities to court in any civilized country around the world as a case of illegal use of
copyright.
If you understand these, we can negotiate about royalty, copycost, rental or what you ever like to call the right to do a
copieactivites with our property as masterform.
Read carefully my mail of 00-09-12. You have allready done many professionals at the group silent and without willing to give
know-how to the forum.
As I said, you have realy destroyed the possibility for many poor peoples to take part of developing works.
etcetc
Joe, make this text proffesional and as you want me to answer him...
Take care.
Peter
Her is old mails:
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X-Sender: cnsorata@ceibo.entelnet.bo
Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 07:29:45 -0400
To: Peter Ruyter
ckaybrain@yahoo.com
From: Ron & Diane
Subject: Re: turbinetest
Status:
Peter,
We had some sort misunderstanding. Did you not realize Joseph was
selling the spoons one at a time?
I bought four.
And in my communications I ALWAYS told people where I got them and
recommended them. As you could see, I was promoting your product! Check out
my e-mails.
As to the product itself--you were selling a product on which you
self- admittedly had no data. Do you have data now? Have you tested your
own product?
We just didn’t understand what the problem was. You didn’t write to
clear things up after Diane wrote to you.
I was pretty upset. I really don’t like being accused of wrongdoing!
I don’t think Joseph thought he was doing anything wrong either, or he
wouldn’t have been selling the spoons in partial sets.
I was very clear to him that I was going to use them to make bronze spoons.
I’m sure he must have told you.
So lets clear this matter up so we can work together. O.K?
Ron-----P.S. I couldn’t read your attachment. It just came up code.
Did you see www.watermotor.net
At 23:21 00/09/12 +0200, you wrote:
Evening Ron and Diane.
I am a litlle bit sad, beqaus you not answering my mails.
And when I understand you are using my work and make copies of our products.
Its very sad, and its a backslash for whole area of intrest for spending
time, love and monye for developing good working hydroproducts with small
economical frames.
I look for a good explanation and I hope to come in mode for spending moore
power to develop better things and moore power to pore peoples.
Peter
Subject: Bad day!
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 00:03:37 +0200
From: Peter Ruyter
To: Joseph Hartvigsen
Dear JO.
Long time, no contacts.
Is everything OK? I have for some time contact with your customer Ron
Davis, and order him to call you and find out a way to help him with a good
sulotion to get spoons with special price. I tald him to respect our
contact and go to you and take a discussion. Hi is your custom and a
result of your work. As a marketplayer I will allways respect the rules,
written or not, wich is my ligth and direction for a longlastning member
of serious affairs.
I am very sad when I find out he have made copies of our spoons. Very sad
and dissapointed.
I can tell you the tru story of the spoons.
It was a men comming from the dark forest of west Sweden, he spend all time
and monye to develop this spoons. He burnd for smalscale hydropower and
burnd for economical sulotion of making energy from water. He worked day
and nigth untill he was ca 55 year old.
In a installation of a very small turbine in Iceland, making the life
better for a isolated family he get hartattac and very soon after he died.
He left a family of a wife and two sons. Not very old. In a situation of
caos and poverty. All the capital was wasted and left it was some boxes of
these spoons and hundreds of meter of tubes.
He died in his dreams and left the family in a maredream.
The sons swored to never ever work with this things wich haved killed the
father.
I met the widdow and get this sad storie in my ears. I told her I will help
her and try to turn this products to some small monye. I have promised her
to get the sons news wich can turn the to be positive at the fathers job .
They are now very well educated fro best tchnological shols and the was
very glad for my reports from you. The widdow have everytime you have get e
sending picked the spoons in a cartong and walked down to the post and
secured it will go very well over the atlantic the Mr Hartwigsen. And I
have every time send her monye and say ed Mr Harwigsen is very pleased for
the spoons and she was everytime little bit moore glad for the job her
husband was doing long time a goe. I have byuing all the tubes to get her
some mony for the life. I have them now at a store but she is glad. And
that makes me glad!
All things in this story was small monye but big love, and a salute for the
man who killed him self in the job to get a better world for poore peoples.
In my mind a good hero and foreman for small hydropower. Much much better
tah most of us.
This was the true story of some nice plastic spoons.
So my friend Joe, can you give a advise how I shall tell the dear women the
result of the situation.
How can I explain Ron Davis tok the spoons from here hand, make a copie
and kick here and the family in the as.
This is not good for the future of developing economical sulotions.
If developer knows some will take the result and use them for free, who
will spend time, mone and life for the sake?
No one!
Subject: Mad!
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 00:13:49 +0200
From: Peter Ruyter
To: Joseph Hartvigsen
I was thinking a little time moore about this situation.
I am not sad any moore, only very mad. So damed mad so I can exlpoid any
minute.
No one can steel anythin from the widdow for free.
I hope you can clear this thing out very smoth and soon.
At thursday I will go to Latvia and start up some turbines, helping poore
Latvians out from the shit the communist drag the in to.
I will be back at monday and hope then find good explanations, very good.
So I can face the women and here family.
Otherwise I will tell the whole hydropowerworld wich way the things can go
with openminded and generous thinkings. And I can say I know the result.
Many freethinking dvelopers will close all open cases and keep the result
for other purpuse.
It will be little darker and little colder for many poor familys.
Joe, I am very mad, and very tyerd.
Good nigth.
Peter
Subject: Re: cooling
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 09:38:55 -0400
From: Ron and Diane
To: Joseph Hartvigsen
September 14, 2000
Dear Joseph,
Its good to be in touch.
So your son is going to Trujillo . Well, that is a pretty interesting
area. One of the largest pre- colombian cities, Chan-Chan is just
there. The city was served by an aquaduct of an amazing length, something
like 75k. And it perhaps was destroyed in an earth shift or landslide.
Along its length there were some features which exibit a sophistocated
understanding of water dynamics: A control device protecting viaducts
from damage by overflow. It was in Scientific American years ago.
Anyway, you can imagine what it would be like to suddenly not
have water, perhaps 50-60 thousand people, and the nearest supply is
nowhere near at all. End of city.
So Peter wrote me a really nasty and upsetting e-mail. Didn’t make a
lot of sense to me and I don’t know what to say. I think its pretty easy
to get upset- (perhaps drunk? ) and write stupid things. I’ve waited a
couple of days to see if he writes again. What should I say to him? We
are pretty sensitive to charges of misconduct , having been ripped off
more than once. I told you about our home being burned down in order to
take over the property . I think it is a case of male ego more than
anything else . He might be in the giant ego catagory.
Anyway----its a bummer. I don’t feel I done anything to apolagize for,
or even understand what he is on about.
We are going to mess around with a water jacket on the heat
exchanger when we get back to Coroico. Maybe we can locate an auto air
manual somewhere. I think its worth a try. Thanks for your feedback on that.
I’m going to send you Peter’s e-mail
Best
Regards , Ron
At 11:51 00/09/05 -0600, you wrote:
>Hi Ron,
> Good to hear from you. We are well here in Utah. My son
>started his mission training last week in Provo. He and the
>group he is with will go to Lima the first week of October
>for another month of training. Part of the group will go to
>Bolivia (Santa Cruz) and the rest (including my son) will
>go to Trujillo Peru. We received a letter from him on
>Sat, he is excited and amazed at how much of his 4 years
>of high school Spanish is still there.
>
> Have you been able to turn out good turgo hubs from the
>scrap plastic, and poor drawings I sent? I think the auto
>air conditioner idea is good. In principle there is no reason
>this should not work well. There are some practical technical
>details someone will need to figure out. Car AC systems
>use R12 freon, while house AC units use R22 and freezers
>use yet another refrigerant fluid. The choice of refrigerant
>can have a significant effect on the performance of the system.
Subject: Cast turgo spoons.
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 13:46:03 -0600
From: Joseph Hartvigsen
Organization: Ceramatec/SOFCo
To: Ron and Diane
Ron and Diane Davis
Hi Ron,
Bob Hazards runner was working great on 150 psi for
a little while, then it ripped the spoons from the mounting
tang. What would you charge to make cast copies of the
blue spoons in Bolivia (of Aluminum, Bronze, or Stainless)?
Peter has agreed to this as long as I pay $2/spoon, and
Bob has already done so on these. Perhaps you could
make enough profit on the copies to pay royalties for
additional copies, eliminating the import duty you pay
on the spoons. I could collect the money from buyers
such as Bob, and funnel the royalty to Peter for the
copies you keep for your use in Bolivia. For example
if I sell 25 spoons at $8 each (just a wild guess number
for illustration), you could make 100, keep 75 for yourself,
and send me 25. I’d collect $200 and pay Peter for
the 25 sold and your 75 spoons. Would that make
$ sense for you? Anyway, let me know what you
think of making replacements spoons for Bob.
Joe
Subject: Re: Cast turgo spoons.
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 19:06:44 -0400
From: Ron and Diane
To: Joseph Hartvigsen
Dear Joseph,
I’ll look into the cast metal spoons. We do have a traditional casting
industry here and even highly skilled workers charge little for their time.
Do you think that the blue spoons could be done with sand? Or better wax
? I’ll get some quotes. The $2 per unit is O.K.
We still don’t have any technical data.
I had another great idea : What about a portable waterpower unit to use
as a temporary source of power during construction of waterpower sites?
Get the waterpower at the beginning of the project rather than the end.
The Watermotor with the saw, joiner, cutoff disk, drill, grinder,
alternator, and compressor could all go in a single wheelbarrow.
The thinwall 4’’ plastic tube could be in 3m sections joined with 20cm
rubber couples and waterhose clamps and lay along the ground. You could
even run a cement mixer ! Just 1.5 turbine hp would be plenty for these
needs. I think the 6’’ model can get this with only 10meters fall witha
single 4’’ pipe.
And the work crew could watch t.v. at night. And have communications.
Lights. Of course this would most useful away from roads and power lines
where land is dirt cheap, and otherwise it’s muscle power all the way.
. What do you think ?
Ron
At 13:46 01/05/02 -0600, you wrote:
>Hi Ron,
> Bob Hazards runner was working great on 150 psi for
>a little while, then it ripped the spoons from the mounting
>tang. What would you charge to make cast copies of the
>blue spoons in Bolivia (of Aluminum, Bronze, or Stainless)?
>Peter has agreed to this as long as I pay $2/spoon, and
>Bob has already done so on these. Perhaps you could
>make enough profit on the copies to pay royalties for
>additional copies, eliminating the import duty you pay
>on the spoons. I could collect the money from buyers
>such as Bob, and funnel the royalty to Peter for the
>copies you keep for your use in Bolivia. For example
>if I sell 25 spoons at $8 each (just a wild guess number
>for illustration), you could make 100, keep 75 for yourself,
>and send me 25. I’d collect $200 and pay Peter for
>the 25 sold and your 75 spoons. Would that make
>$ sense for you? Anyway, let me know what you
>think of making replacements spoons for Bob.
>
> Joe
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Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 11:08:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Joseph Hartvigsen"
Subject: Fwd: Re: Fwd: SV: Question from Bolivia--Swedish Turgo Design Rights, Mr. Bo Hallgren
To: "Ron Davis"
Ron,
Nothing is changed here Ron since the last time I answered your
question. The copyright resides with the creator of the article, or his
estate for 70+ years following his death unless sold.
Step 1. Read the law in the link below.
Step 2. Follow the spoons back to their source to find the copyright
holder.
Step 3. Deal with them not me. I was acting at their request years ago,
but have repeatedly, repeadedly, repeatedly ... requested that you deal
with them and not me.
Step 4. Leave me alone about this. It isn't my issue. It is between you
and the legal copyright holder. They are in Sweden.
If you don't believe me and want to be judged in the court of public
opinion, take your argument public again like you did in the microhydro
group. It didn't work for you then and it won't work in the future
because you are in the wrong. If you leave it alone, I'll leave it
alone (I'm not speaking for Peter or Ingella here). But I will defend
myself against any public accusations. Public opinions will side with
me, not you, because any reasonable person can see you are clearly in
the wrong here.
Joe
http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html
http://www.copyright.gov/register/visual.html
http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html#hlc
How Long Copyright Protection Endures
Works Originally Created on or after January 1, 1978
A work that was created (fixed in tangible form for the first time) on
or after January 1, 1978, is automatically protected from the moment of
its creation and is ordinarily given a term enduring for the author’s
life plus an additional 70 years after the author’s death. In the case
of “a joint work prepared by two or more authors who did not work for
hire,” the term lasts for 70 years after the last surviving author’s
death. For works made for hire, and for anonymous and pseudonymous
works (unless the author’s identity is revealed in Copyright Office
records), the duration of copyright will be 95 years from publication
or 120 years from creation, whichever is shorter.
Works Originally Created before January 1, 1978, But Not Published or
Registered by That Date
These works have been automatically brought under the statute and are
now given federal copyright protection. The duration of copyright in
these works is generally computed in the same way as for works created
on or after January 1, 1978: the life-plus-70 or 95/120-year terms
apply to them as well. The law provides that in no case would the term
of copyright for works in this category expire before December 31,
2002, and for works published on or before December 31, 2002, the term
of copyright will not expire before December 31, 2047.
Works Originally Created and Published or Registered before January 1,
1978
Under the law in effect before 1978, copyright was secured either on
the date a work was published with a copyright notice or on the date of
registration if the work was registered in unpublished form. In either
case, the copyright endured for a first term of 28 years from the date
it was secured. During the last (28th) year of the first term, the
copyright was eligible for renewal. The Copyright Act of 1976 extended
the renewal term from 28 to 47 years for copyrights that were
subsisting on January 1, 1978, or for pre-1978 copyrights restored
under the Uruguay Round Agreements Act (URAA), making these works
eligible for a total term of protection of 75 years. Public Law
105-298, enacted on October 27, 1998, further extended the renewal term
of copyrights still subsisting on that date by an additional 20 years,
providing for a renewal term of 67 years and a total term of protection
of 95 years.
Note: forwarded message attached.
Joseph Hartvigsen
Hartvigsen-Hydro
1529 South 400 East
Kaysville, UT 84037 USA
Micro Hydro components, turgo runners
http://h-hydro.com
Forwarded Message
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 08:01:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Joseph Hartvigsen"
Subject: Re: Fwd: SV: Question from Bolivia--Swedish Turgo Design Rights, Mr. Bo Hallgren
To: "davis ron"
Plain Text Attachment
Per your message from Mr. Hallgren below, "Copyright is, as you might
know, normally not registered but it is rarely the case that technical
equipment is protected by copyright."
As he said, technical equipment is not usually protected by copyright,
because a patent can cover an idea not just a specific article. So, a
patent is a stronger protection, but it doesn't last as long and is
much more expensive to obtain (anything is more expensive than free,
which is what an unregistered copyright costs), and in the case of the
turgo concept the patent expired long ago. Note he also said a
copyright is normally not registered. That is because copyright is
still in force even if not registered. Registering, which costs less
that $100 will give the ability to collect triple damages, but is not
required to collect royalties. You can verify this at
http://www.copyright.gov/
The spoons exist, therefore they have a creator and unless he died over
75 years ago they are still covered by copyright (that is the specific
form of the article itself, not the concept is covered by copyright -
you are free to design your own similar device but not copy anyone
else's particular "original expression fixed in a tangible medium" ).
So now we have established that the spoon is covered by copyright - do
you agree?
The question is then who owns the copyright. At the time we first
requested a royalty it was owned by the widow of the spoon's creator,
Mrs. Ingela Carlsson (I have never met her and I may well have
misspelled her name). All of the spoons were mailed directly to me from
her at Peter's request. Since then, Peter has purchased the entire
inventory and rights to the blue and orange spoons, so he personally
owns the copyright. It is really that simple. There is nothing more to
prove. You can't buy these from anyone else, unless they originally
were bought from either Peter or the Carlsson's. I have never heard
anyone claim that Mr. Carlsson or his agent sold this right (except to
Peter) or gave it to the public domain. Therefore any reasonable and
fair minded person would find it obvious that the copyright still
resides with the source of the spoons. I certainly do. Don't you
agree? Good, I'm glad that is settled.
How are you coming with commercializing FiberSil? I hope you've made
good use of your idea since rejecting our offer. We certainly haven't
given it a second thought since then.
You want to know who rrees@utah.gov is check the states web page. I
told you he is an attorney with the state legislature.
http://www.le.state.ut.us/lrgc/staffcom.htm
Joe
--- davis ron
>
> --- Hallgren Bo
>
> > Subject: SV: Question from Bolivia--Swedish Turgo
> > Design Rights, Mr. Bo Hallgren
> > Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:53:43 +0100
> > From: "Hallgren Bo"
> > To:
> >
> >
> > Dear Ron Davis,
> >
> > Thank you for your email.
> >
> > The main principle is that the one who claims that
> > he has a protection has to prove it.
> > This means if there is a Patent or Design protection
> > in the country where you produce or sell your
> > product the owner of the right has to provide you
> > with the registration number of his rights.
> >
> > Copyright is, as you might know, normally not
> > registered but it is rarely the case that technical
> > equipment is protected by copyright.
> >
> > I suggest that you consult an expertienced lawyer in
> > this field.
> >
> > Best regards / Bo Hallgren
> > Swedish Intenational Patent Office
>
> >
> >
> > -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> > Från: davis ron [mailto:watermotor@yahoo.com]
> > Skickat: den 2 februari 2006 22:46
> > Till: prv.patent@prv.se
> > Ämne: Question from Bolivia--Swedish Turgo Design
> > Rights, Mr. Bo Hallgren
> >
> >
> > Feb. 2, 06
> >
> > Dear Mr. Hallgren,
> >
> > I am an appropriate technology inventor working
> > with the indigenous people of Bolivia for a number
> > of
> > years.
> > We build small turbines with a patented (in
> > Bolivia)on/off power control switch which allows the
> > turbine to be used in place an electric motor to
> > directly drive machines. (See: watermotor.net)
> > I designed this turbine to use a turgo type turbine
> > wheel which was originally from Sweden.
> > After I designed this turbine and power control
> > system
> > I was told that I should be paying royalties to a
> > man
> > in Sweden to use this turgo design because he owned
> > the "design rights". When I would write to this man
> > in
> > to ask about his design rightsSweden he would not
> > reply--until recently.
> > This is an important matter to us here in Bolivia
> > because we need to know if this man will sue us.
> > He has been demanding $32 U.S. for each turbine we
> > produce.
> > Also, this man tells people that we are cheating
> > him
> > out of royalty money.
> > Recently I asked other members of the Internet
> > Microhydro group we both belong to if anyone knew
> > whether there actually was any sort of patent or
> > design right for this turgo turbine design. I then
> > received a e-mail from the Swedish man threatening
> > me
> > with legal action if I used this design without his
> > consent. But he again failed to provide any
> > information about the design rights he says he has.
> > He now refuses to answer my e-mails.
> > My understanding is that even if "design rights"
> > actually exist, and he owns them, they would not
> > apply
> > in this situation because my turbines are cast
> > aluminum or bronze, not plastic as his are. My turgo
> > wheel are also a different size as well.
> > Since he has threatened to sue me I must take this
> > seriously. He has far more resources than we do.
> > From his statement he is claiming that under
> > Swedish
> > law he has the right to do this. If he does not have
> > the rights he claims to have then perhaps he may be
> > guilty of attempted fraud and extortion.
> > This has been going on for several years and it
> > has
> > been damaging to our work here in Bolivia.
> > We need to know what to do in this case. I feel
> > that
> > this man would not be trying to do this if we were
> > not
> > in a poor country in South America.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Ron Davis,
> > Campo Nuevo,
> > La Paz, Bolivia
> >
> > watermotor@yahoo.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Here is his last letter:
> >
> > Sat, 17 Dec 2005 00:01:20 +0100
> > To: "davis ron"
> > From: "Peter Ruyter"
> > Contact Details Add Mobile Alert
> > Subject: Plasticspoons
> >
> > Mr Davis
> > In my mail of 00-09-12 I have given you my opinion
> > about your way to
> > walk at the earth.
> > I can one moore time tell you: You are at the wrong
> > side of normal
> > sense. I am the owner of all produced plastic
> > spoons,
> > red, white and
> > blue. If anybody without my autorization copie one
> > of
> > these products
> > for using to make repeting production of these
> > products I am able to
> > lead these activities to court in any civilized
> > country around the
> > world as a case of illegal use of copyright.
> > If you understand these, we can negotiate about
> > royalty, copycost,
> > rental or what you ever like to call the right to do
> > a copieactivites
> > with our property as masterform. Read carefully my
> > mail of 00-09-12.
> > You have allready done many professionals at the
> > group
> > silent and
> > without willing to give know-how to the forum.
> > As I said, you have realy destroyed the possibility
> > for many poor
> > peoples to take part of developing works.
> >
> > I enclose the old mails text, to refresh your
> > memory:
> > >> Evening Ron and Diane.
> > >> I am a litlle bit sad, beqaus you not answering
> > my
> > mails.
> > >> And when I understand you are using my work and
> > make copies of our
> > products.
> > >> Its very sad, and its a backslash for whole area
> > of intrest for
> > spending
> > >> time, love and monye for developing good working
> > hydroproducts with
> > small
> > >> economical frames.
> > >> I look for a good explanation and I hope to come
> > in mode for
> > spending moore
> > >> power to develop better things and moore power
> > to
> > pore peoples.
> > >> Peter
> >
> > I have also invited you to Sweden, to have a vistit
> > at
> > the family
> > where we overtok the spoons. The widow, Ingela have
> > ben informed
> > about you and she is not impressed.
> >
> > Hereby I invite you again, to visit us and meet
> > Ingela
> > and look at
> > her former husbands work.
> > If you find anything incorrect against all
> > information
> > you have got
> > in this case, I will pay all of your cost from the
> > minute you leave
> > your home untill the minute you arrive back.
> >
> > If you understand, during this vsisit, all
> > information
> > you have got
> > are correct, you have to give Joe Hartvigsen, my US
> > partner, an open
> > mail there you regret all of your activites.
> > --
> > All the best!
>
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Joseph Hartvigsen
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Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 13:34:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Joseph Hartvigsen"
Subject: Quiz for Ron
To: "davis ron"
CC: "Peter Ruyter"
Ron,
Given the subject lines of your last two emails,
"Dr. Hartvigsen---more than your word as a Mormon-PUBLIC QUESTION!"
and,
"I guess that means the answer is NO!"
I can only assume that you are having difficulty grasping the simple concepts that I've outlined in great detail for you.
So, here is a true or false quiz for you. I'll give you a hint, all the answers are true, but if you still have some trouble
with it please tell me which question you have difficulty in answering true. Then I will be happy to address that question
in further detail.
Q1 The blue and orange turgo spoons exist.
Q2 These turgo spoons were created by someone.
Q3 These turgo spoons were not created by Ron or Joe.
Q4 These turgo spoons were created by someone who is either alive or has been dead for less than 70 years (hint -
injection molded glass filled nylon is less than 50 years old).
Q5 US and International copyright law automatically covers the spoon design without filing any paperwork, for the
lifetime of the creator, and prohibits unauthorized copies, with provisions for civil and criminal penalties for violations.
(Hint, review the URLs I provided to copyright.gov for complete details)
Q6 Joseph Hartvigsen was supplied turgo spoons from the copyright owner (the creator's estate or later the purchaser
from the creator's estate)
Q7 Joseph Hartvigsen sold Ron Davis turgo spoons and paid the entire sales price to his spoon supplier (i.e. at no
profit).
Q8 Ron Davis made un-authorized replicas of the orange turgo spoon.
Q9 Joseph Hartvigsen reported this activity to the spoon supplier.
Q10 The spoon supplier requested that Ron pay $2/copy to the legal copyright holder.
Q11 Ron refused to comply with this request.
Need I go any further? Again, tell me which question you can't clearly answer true? What is the obvious conclusion?
Joe
Joseph Hartvigsen
Hartvigsen-Hydro
1529 South 400 East
Kaysville, UT 84037 USA
Micro Hydro components, turgo runners
http://h-hydro.com
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