Aug.19, 2010
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: davis ron
To: microhydro-owner@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, August 13, 2010 11:10:47 PM
Subject: Hartvigsen: No intention of explaining why no proof of claimed tugo design ownership--fraud
Wim,
As you can see in Hartvigsen's message below, he has no intention of explaining to the group why neither he nor Peter Ruyter are able to provide proof of any kind to support the turgo design ownership claims they have been making to the members of the Yahoo microhydro group for several years.
As you know when Hartvigsen met with our attorney on Dec.23, 09 in Salt Lake City he came completely empty handed.
That is, according to our attorney Brian Kunzler, Hartvigsen was able to provide:
1. no proof of the existence of the "widow Ingela Carlson", from whom he claims Ruyter bought the turgo design produced by her husband, (who he is unable to name!) or where he was supposed to have lived and worked,
2.no proof of the claimed design purchase, or where and when that purchase took place,
3.no proof of the "exclusive license" he claims to have to produce the turgo design,
4. no proof of the right to collect "royalty" payments,
5. no proof of any claimed "royalty agreement" with me.
Have you ever heard the story of "The Emperor's New Clothes"?
And you are still not allowing me to reply to their last series of accusations.
Ron Davis
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Joseph Hartvigsen
To: davis ron
Sent: Thu, August 12, 2010 10:15:03 AM
Subject: Re: Would you be willing to allow the members of the micro hydro group see the relevant email record....?
Ron,
I just got back from my trip. i have no idea what you are talking about. What is there to decide? I told you (and the group) that I looked into what Brian told me at our meeting just before Christmas and have conceded his point - for the US at least. To me it was a moot issue since I had long since dropped the question except to state the facts of the dispute when YOU dragged it out to the group. I told Brian that I had no interest in fighting the point and had not been interested in pursuing anything other than getting you to leave me alone.
You act like I'm trying to cheat and defraud you. How could that be when in fact I offered to pay the requested royalty on your behalf if you'd even tell me how many spoons you copied. Before that I offered to buy castings from you to provide you with sufficient profit to pay the requested royalty. After that I left it alone. It is YOU AND ONLY YOU that continues to make this an issue. I have tried to help you from the beginning, giving you spoons at cost and early prototype hubs at no charge. Even the youtube you referred me to show you using the tach I gave you, and you made some stink over that because of some comment Nando made about what he thought the original MSRP was. Now I've given you a good supply of greenspoons and you haven't even acknowledged receiving them.
You go on and on that we made up Ingella and the source of the spoons, yet Peter has told you come meet here and if he can't show you proof of the spoons origin he'd pay for your trip. Do you want me to buy your ticket to Sweden? It would be worth the price to end this insanity.
There is nothing to be decided. You've already been posting email on your blog so why do you need to ask me anything?
Joe
From: davis ron
To: h-n-h7@msn.com; joe@h-hydro.com; jjh@ceramatec.com
Sent: Mon, August 9, 2010 2:15:53 PM
Subject: Would you be willing to allow the members of the micro hydro group see the relevant email record....?
Joe,
Would you be willing to allow the members of the micro hydro group see the relevant email record and decide for themselves who is telling the truth about your intellectual property claims regarding the turgo design in question and what the consequences should be? Would you be willing to abide by their decision?
Ron
