Corruption, American Style --- On Fri, 2/19/10, Brian Kunzler wrote: From: Brian Kunzler Subject: RE: Hartvigsen's latest message about you. To: "davis ron" Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 4:17 PM Ron, I do not recall that Mr. Hartvigsen presented conclusive evidence of the Widow’s existence. Again, legally, it is of no consequence, so I did not pursue that aspect of the conversation very far. Unfortunately, I didn’t take extensive notes of the conversation. We did discuss whether he had any proprietary rights to the design. He seemed to believe he did. I explained the law to him, and at least lessened his conviction, if not totally changing his mind. Because copyright does not cover functional designs, the Widow’s existence is not important to your right to sell the design. It might have bearing on a defamation case because he had to know the statements he was making were false in order for you to prevail in such a suit. Otherwise, our discussion was just regarding the history of his dealings with you. I think I have already explained to you what stuck out from those discussions. Please keep in mind that anything I report from the conversation would not be admissible in a defamation case as it would be hearsay. I am not sure what consequence it has whether Robert Rees is a mormon bishop or not. I can see how his statements regarding your lack or right to sell the design could have cost you business and therefore might be part of a law suit (though you will have to prove the loss of business to get any damages) but I don’t see how the religion aspect comes into play. I don’t think I said that I can prove he is or is not a bishop, but it would be very easy to find out. I would just have to go to the neighborhood and ask around a bit. My guess is that he is. Mormon bishops are quite common, it is a lay position, unlike in other religions. It does not carry all that much weight either, which is why I do not see why he would lie about it, or what you have to gain by following up on it. I don’t recall stating David Fonda had not advised Hartvigsen that the copyright applied or not. Please keep in mind that my conversations with David and Joe will not be admissible in court. I have not communicated with Harvigsen except at our lunch meeting and emails to set it up. Regarding defamation, it is not actually my area of specialty. I can tell you that a successful suit could easily cost you $50,000 to $100,000. Usually you can get an injunction also, but he has already agreed verbally to cease from telling people you have cannot legally produce the turgo product. If you can prove that you have lost over that much in profit, not total sales, the case may be worth bringing. If he can prove the existence of the widow, then he may have a successful defense if the court buys the fact that he believed that copyright law applied. Again, it is not my specialty, but I don’t see the basis for a criminal case of defamation. Regarding the retraction of the fraudulent claims on the Internet, that is where you may want to use the threat of a suit for defamation or even better, intentional interference with a business relationship. Threat of such a suit could cause him to be more willing to make a public retraction. If you would like me to prepare a letter to him asking for such a public retraction, I would be glad to do so. Please keep in mind that your retainer paid for two hours of my time. At this point, with my meetings with him and communications with you, I have exceeded that amount of time. To do such a letter, I would need a retainer for another half hour of time, which would be $140. Best regards, Brian Brian C. 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From: davis ron [mailto:watermotor@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 12:38 PM To: Brian Kunzler Subject: Hartvigsen's latest message about you. Brian, No question after what he has done Hartvigsen wants to "drop the matter" before everyone finds out what a vicious con man he is, and how he uses serial lies to get people to cover up for him. I would be very careful of this guy if I were you. Now, please reply to our questions this time. We asked you for a clear account of the meeting with Hartvigsen regarding the public statements he has used over the last several years to destroy our Watermotor aid project here in Bolivia. We never got that. We need it right away for the defamation suit. As you saw in Hartvigsen's most recently sent messages to me, which he also sent to you, he is again claiming that in the meeting with you of Dec. 23, 09 he presented proof to you of the existence of the the widow Ingella (or Ingela) Carlson (or Carllson), from whom he says his partner had purchased the turgo design rights. (This fable is the basis of his entire IP claim re the turgo.) It is not, as his friends say, irrelevant. It is the basis for our defamation suit, as well as criminal defamation prosecution. You CLEARLY told me he had not presented anything to support any of his claims at that meeting. Is he calling you a liar? It seems Hartvigsen is also claiming that somehow YOU can prove the Utah State Attorney Robert H. Rees was his Mormon bishop, as he told me. You are aware that Rees was investigated for impersonating a Mormon bishop by the Summit County Sheriff's Dept. You told me that the Ceramatec patent attorney, Dave Fonda, said that he had NOT advised Hartvigsen that copyright applied to the turgo design and nor was Hartvigsen correct in concealing my emails to Ceramatec regarding the testing of my invention FiberSil, and secretly making himself (Hart.) "co-inventor". Now Hartvigsen is saying the opposite. What is the story here? How have you responded to Hartvigsen? Please send us a copy of your response. We have asked you about the cost of a defamation suit against Hartvigsen, and a cease and desist order. You did not reply regarding either subject. Why not? (YOU brought up the possibility of a defamation suit in our first telephone conversation.) We asked you how you thought he would do in court, having nothing to support his claim. You didn't answer this either. We asked you about a getting retraction to his fraudulent claims on the Internet. You did not reply. Since he has been deliberately deceiving the public for years, don't you think that would be appropriate? One more question: How do we have Hartvigsen charged with criminal defamation? Best, Ron Davis --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Brian Kunzler wrote: From: Brian Kunzler Subject: RE: Brian Kunzler: NEW, Hartvigsen's Turgo Design Claims on Yahoo Microhydro egroup site To: "davis ron" Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 5:46 PM Ron, From my reading, what Joe is saying is that he is throwing in the towel. He is dropping the subject. He is all but conceding my point about him not having any rights -- not because of the widow -- but because there are no proprietary rights in the design, absent patents. It sounds like to me he wants to drop the matter, which is what I thought you wanted. He appears to be agreeing to not make any more statement publicly on the matter. That should allow you to go forward with marketing your product. Brian Brian C. 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From: davis ron [mailto:watermotor@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 2:02 PM To: Brian Kunzler Subject: Brian Kunzler: NEW, Hartvigsen's Turgo Design Claims on Yahoo Microhydro egroup site Brian, This is mostly about you. Now, once again, Hartvigsen is telling people that you, my attorney, are going to back up his scam. What do you have to say about this? Please get back us right away. We are still waiting for your replies to several questions regarding Hartvigsen's statements about you we asked in our last email. I also asked you about a cease and desist order some days ago. You did not reply. Wouldn't that prevent him from making more false claims about you? How about filing a defamation suit against Hartvigsen? How much does that cost? Ron Davis --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Joseph Hartvigsen wrote: From: Joseph Hartvigsen Subject: Re: Hartvigsen's Turgo Design Claims on Yahoo Microhydro egroup site To: "davis ron" Cc: "Brian Kunzler" Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 12:55 AM Ron, What part of I want to drop the matter now just as I did 6-8 years ago do you not get? How did I not take the meeting with Mr. Kunzler seriously? I did show Mr. Kunzler a handwritten and signed note from Ingella Carlsson noting that she was sending spoons on behalf of Peter, but as Mr. Kunzler noted it is irrelevant given the view that the copyright, while it exists, apparently offers no protection against what you are doing. Bishop Robert H Rees has a brother inlaw who is also a patent attorney one floor away from the KNMT law firm. Again you are barking up the wrong tree. My understanding from our discussion was that Mr. Kunzler did inquire of the current and past patent attorneys at Ceramatec, both of whom verified that I did not withhold or misrepresent that you are the original inventor of fibersil. The only issue there is that you didn't understand what a co-inventor is when there has been additional IP generated as there was in this case. In any case that project was dropped since you didn't like the offered terms. The only issue here is in your mind. Your whole long list of supposed lies evaporate if they are checked out. I will still confidently affirm that I have not made any knowingly false or misleading statements to you or about you. My statements on the applicability of copyright, while based on the circ01.pdf file from copyright.gov and discussions with an attorney, were technically incorrect. In hind sight, other than not understanding the limits of protections afforded by copyright, my only mistake in all of this was trying to help you in the first place. I see from your message below that you are sending our private email to a number of parties who are not involved in the matter, but you have not approached me directly or through your attorney to address any remaining issues. Do you want to drop this or do you want to keep dragging it out and about? What do you want to see as a resolution of this dispute? Joe From: davis ron To: jjh@ceramatec.com; joe@h-hydro.com; h-n-h7@msn.com Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 5:42:07 PM Subject: Fw: Hartvigsen's Turgo Design Claims on Yahoo Microhydro egroup site --- On Wed, 2/17/10, davis ron wrote: From: davis ron Subject: Fw: Hartvigsen's Turgo Design Claims on Yahoo Microhydro egroup site To: jajgs@surewest.net Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 7:34 PM --- On Wed, 2/17/10, Otto Rike wrote: From: Otto Rike Subject: Fw: Hartvigsen's Turgo Design Claims on Yahoo Microhydro egroup site To: "ron davis" Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 7:31 PM --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Otto Rike wrote: From: Otto Rike Subject: Hartvigsen's Turgo Design Claims on Yahoo Microhydro egroup site To: michael_welch@sbcglobal.net Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 12:07 AM And BYU patent lawyer's response --- On Thu, 2/18/10, davis ron wrote: From: davis ron Subject: Fw: Hartvigsen's Turgo Design Claims on Yahoo Microhydro egroup site To: ottorike@yahoo.com Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 12:01 AM --- On Wed, 2/17/10, davis ron wrote: From: davis ron Subject: Hartvigsen's Turgo Design Claims on Yahoo Microhydro egroup site To: jay15661@yahoo.com Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 6:52 PM Hartvigsen to Yahoo e-group Feb. 28 09, photos of my "inferior" turbines These have clearly been damaged http://notepad.mail.yahoo.com/YYY,e87b30/srt,0/?v=161&i=198&SW=&PSW=&POS=0&CID=0 Open letter to Yahoo microhydropower e-group list owner Wim Klunne March 10, 09 http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/microhydro@yahoogroups.com/11642111.html Hartvigsen's March 11, 09 response to "Open letter to Wim Klunne" from Ron Davis Klunne himself did not respond. http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/microhydro/message/10930 Klunne March 11, 09 Closing discussion on turgo design without allowing me to reply http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/microhydro/message/10933 Most recently: The meeting between Joseph Hartvigsen and our attorney Brian Kunzler took place on Dec. 23, 09. Wednesday, February 10, 2010 8:00 PM re: Meeting With Joseph Hartvigsen From: "Brian Kunzler" To: "davis ron" Ron, I just found out that your emails were being sent to my junk folder. I get them on my phone, but not my computer. That is why my responses to have been sporadic. I have fixed that. In my meeting with Mr. Hartvigsen, I explained that the existence of the widow was of no consequence, as they have no proprietary rights absent patents, which they do not hold. Even if they did, they would have to hold them in the all countries they are trying to preclude sales in. He did not establish her existence, nor did I see a license agreement. Again, both are irrelevant. Copyright law does not cover what they are doing. He agreed to let it drop if you would. If he continues to cause you a loss of business by claiming a proprietary right that does not exist, he is committing a business tort and is opening himself up to a law suit. Best regards, Brian Brian C. Kunzler Kunzler Needham Massey & Thorpe 8 East Broadway, Suite 600 Salt Lake City, Utah 84111 (O): 801-994-4646 (F): 801-531-1929 kunzler@kmiplaw.com From: davis ron [mailto:watermotor@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 10:43 AM To: Brian Kunzler Subject: Meeting With Joseph Hartvigsen Hello Brian, I have a Watermotor turbine ready to ship to the U.S. The day before yesterday I asked Joseph Hartvigsen a straightforward question: " Are you still claiming my turbines are "illegal" copies and that you could have them banned from the U.S by U.S. Customs?" You saw his reply, which he sent to you as well. I am sorry to say that it seems that Hartvigsen did not take the meeting with you very seriously. We are awaiting a report on your meeting with Joseph Hartvigsen which was to allow you to evaluate his IP claims regarding the turgo turbine runner design we use. Hartvigsen said he would be able show you whatever evidence he would present in court to support his claims regarding turgo design ownership. And what he would present to the U.S. customs Service as proof that my turgo runners were "illegal" copies, as he has publicly claimed, and which he has threatened to have seized. He said he would also explain why, as a scientific professional with special training in understanding IP regulations, he has publicly maintained for years that COPYRIGHT protection was applicable to his turgo design ownership claims. As you see, he is now trying to claim ignorance of basic IP rules as an excuse, making no mention of the damage his false claims have done. He was to explain why he could publicly demand royalty payments from me when there was no royalty agreement. Did he explain why neither he nor Peter Ruyter could prove any aspect of the widow Carlson story, upon which their entire turgo design ownership claim is based, to be factual. Could they even provide the NAME of the supposed inventor? Did you discuss the public retraction of his public statements, made for years, that my turbines are illegal? Did you inform him that he could expect to be held responsible for the damage he has done with his fraudulent and libelous public statements? What was his response? So, very importantly, as an attorney, please tell us how do you think Hartvigsen's story would stand up in court? He also said he would explain concealing my business corresponance to his company Ceramatec regarding the testing of my invention FiberSil from the company records, and having secretly made himself co-inventor. This would include his statement, as you saw, made to me and others that the Ceramatec patent attorney supported his claim that copyright protection was applicable to the turgo design and that he had the right to secretly claim to have co-invented my invention FiberSil, which Hartvigsen was in charge of testing. Did you ask him who else at Ceramatec knew he was doing this? Ashok Joshi, for an example? ( Hartvigsen said that he handed Joshi the 67 emails from me he had been concealing.) Brian, We need to know what Hartvigsen means by these statements regarding his meeting with you a month ago: " I think Brian can confirm the existence of Bishop Robert Rees, and that I am not making up Mrs. Ingela Carlsson either. I think the only finding in your favor out of our discussions is that I had an incorrect understanding of the strength of protection afforded by copyright." Did you, as my attorney, actually agree to tell anyone you examined widow Carlson fable and found it to be true? You certainly didn't tell me any such thing. Did he prove to you that State Attorney Robert Rees actually was his Mormon bishop as he claimed Rees was when he wrote to me, and why the LDS church refused to confirm this claim? If so why was Rees unable to prove this to the Summit County Sheriff's Dept when he was investigated for impersonating a bishop? Do you agree with this statement, as he implies, that the false IP claims he has used for years to destroy our Watermotor project, and my reputation was a result of a minor misunderstanding of intellectual property laws, of which he was not informed, and for which he should not expect to be held responsible? Hartvigsen seems to be speaking on your behalf here. You must realize he has sent this message out to other people. Please let me know right away what you intend to do about this. As I have mentioned to you before, for years whenever anyone actually asks Hartvigsen for proof of his IP claims he doesn't provide it, since it does not exist, but rather makes some extremely defamatory statements about me personally to cover for his fraud. I can show you several public and private examples in which this type of information from Hartvigsen is referred to. Did you ask him about this? What did he say? You told me that as my attorney when you learned the nature of these statements you would inform me about them. Brian, Next Monday we are meeting with three vice-ministers in the Bolivian Government regarding the Watermotor project. We will also meet with the new Director of the Patent Office.( I think I mentioned that I hold more patents on machines than anyone else in Bolivia). If this matter is not resolved we will request that they inquire into Hartvigsen's threats to have my turbines banned from the U.S. as a trade issue. These is no reason why this matter should not have already been resolved. If you have any reason whatsoever to question the veracity of ANY of my statements or doubt the falsity of ANY of Hartvigsen's claims, please let me know. Best, Ron --- On Sat, 1/30/10, Joseph Hartvigsen wrote: From: Joseph Hartvigsen Subject: Re: spoon copying To: "davis ron" Cc: "Brian Kunzler" Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 6:54 PM Ron, I met with your Attorney Brian Kunzler just before Christmas. Brian offered a different view of the applicability of copyright protection than I had been advised when I discussed this with an IP attorney several years ago. His view also differed from what I understood having read the circ01.pdf file I'd referred you to on copyrights.gov Further reading suggested by Brian confirmed his assertion that any functional aspects are not protected by copyright. However, the reading did seem to indicate that there is always the potential that some applicability of copyright could be claimed, particularly since you have not reverse engineered something similar, but actually used the spoon as the form to make a mold for your copies. I told Brian that "I am willing to agree to disagree privately and to drop the matter publicly." which ironically is where we were 6-8 years ago before you kept bringing this up. I also stated that I cannot concede any point on Peter's behalf, and that I believe that Peter has purchased the copyright from Mrs. Ingela Carlsson or at least secured agreement to use it. The protection offered by this copyright may be very weak, but as I understand it its existence is as undeniable as the existence of the spoons. So where does that leave us regarding the orange spoons? Basically it is where we were before all of the discussion where you were copying and I, having relayed Peter's displeasure in the practice and having been unsuccessful in negotiating any sort of arrangement, had dropped the mater. In the mean time I have spent a great deal of time designing a range of new spoon sizes with various design improvements. I have spent tens of thousands of dollars on molds, some of which have been reworked after testing the parts. Having been down this painful road once, I have no interest in starting over with this issue. I don't think it is reasonable that I should invest so much time, thought and money in new products only to enable you to short circuit the process by buying one part to use as a form for making copies. Therefore, if you wish to use any of these new products, such as the greenspoon (150mm pcd with 240 spoons, elliptical or cyl/hemi contours) I will require a signed agreement that you will not copy or enable others to do so as a precondition of sale. I don't expect that you will be interested in such an arrangement, but those will be the terms going forward. I think Brian can confirm the existence of Bishop Robert Rees, and that I am not making up Mrs. Ingela Carlsson either. I think the only finding in your favor out of our discussions is that I had an incorrect understanding of the strength of protection afforded by copyright. I had already told you repeatedly of my desire to drop the matter. So what do you want to do at this point? Joe Joseph Hartvigsen Hartvigsen-Hydro 1529 South 400 East Kaysville, UT 84037 USA Micro Hydro components, turgo runners http://h-hydro.com From: davis ron To: jjh@ceramatec.com; h-n-h7@msn.com; joe@h-hydro.com Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 3:56:29 PM Subject: Hartvigsen, Are you still claiming my turbines are "illegal" copies and that you could have them banned from the U.S by U.S. Customs? Ron Davis, Watermotor@yahoo.com

Salt Lake City Patent Attorney Brian Kunzler: "He did not establish her existence, nor did I see a license agreement" Feb. 10, 2010

Feb. 10, 2010
From SLC Patent Attorney Brian Kunzler

Ron,

I just found out that your emails were being sent to my junk folder. I get them on my phone, but not my computer. That is why my responses to have been sporadic. I have fixed that.

In my meeting with Mr. Hartvigsen, I explained that the existence of the widow was of no consequence, as they have no proprietary rights absent patents, which they do not hold. Even if they did, they would have to hold them in the all countries they are trying to preclude sales in. He did not establish her existence, nor did I see a license agreement. Again, both are irrelevant. Copyright law does not cover what they are doing. He agreed to let it drop if you would. If he continues to cause you a loss of business by claiming a proprietary right that does not exist, he is committing a business tort and is opening himself up to a law suit.



Best regards,



Brian



Brian C. Kunzler

Kunzler Needham Massey & Thorpe

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From: davis ron [mailto:watermotor@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 10:43 AM
To: Brian Kunzler
Subject: Meeting With Joseph Hartvigsen



Hello Brian,

I have a Watermotor turbine ready to ship to the U.S.
The day before yesterday I asked Joseph Hartvigsen a straightforward question:

" Are you still claiming my turbines are "illegal" copies and that you could have them banned from the U.S by U.S. Customs?"

You saw his reply, which he sent to you as well. I am sorry to say that it seems that Hartvigsen did not take the meeting with you very seriously.

We are awaiting a report on your meeting with Joseph Hartvigsen which was to allow you to evaluate his IP claims regarding the turgo turbine runner design we use.
Hartvigsen said he would be able show you whatever evidence he would present in court to support his claims regarding turgo design ownership.
And what he would present to the U.S. customs Service as proof that my turgo runners were "illegal" copies, as he has publicly claimed, and which he has threatened to have seized.

He said he would also explain why, as a scientific professional with special training in understanding IP regulations, he has publicly maintained for years that COPYRIGHT protection was applicable to his turgo design ownership claims.
As you see, he is now trying to claim ignorance of basic IP rules as an excuse, making no mention of the damage his false claims have done.
He was to explain why he could publicly demand royalty payments from me when there was no royalty agreement.

Did he explain why neither he nor Peter Ruyter could prove any aspect of the widow Carlson story, upon which their entire turgo design ownership claim is based, to be factual. Could they even provide the NAME of the supposed inventor?

Did you discuss the public retraction of his public statements, made for years, that my turbines are illegal?
Did you inform him that he could expect to be held responsible for the damage he has done with his fraudulent and libelous public statements?

What was his response?

So, very importantly, as an attorney, please tell us how do you think Hartvigsen's story would stand up in court?

He also said he would explain concealing my business corresponance to his company Ceramatec regarding the testing of my invention FiberSil from the company records, and having secretly made himself co-inventor.
This would include his statement, as you saw, made to me and others that the Ceramatec patent attorney supported his claim that copyright protection was applicable to the turgo design and that he had the right to secretly claim to have co-invented my invention FiberSil, which Hartvigsen was in charge of testing.
Did you ask him who else at Ceramatec knew he was doing this?
Ashok Joshi, for an example?
( Hartvigsen said that he handed Joshi the 67 emails from me he had been concealing.)

Brian,
We need to know what Hartvigsen means by these statements regarding his meeting with you a month ago:

" I think Brian can confirm the existence of Bishop Robert Rees, and that I am not making up Mrs. Ingela Carlsson either. I think the only finding in your favor out of our discussions is that I had an incorrect understanding of the strength of protection afforded by copyright."

Did you, as my attorney, actually agree to tell anyone you examined widow Carlson fable and found it to be true?
You certainly didn't tell me any such thing.

Did he prove to you that State Attorney Robert Rees actually was his Mormon bishop as he claimed Rees was when he wrote to me, and why the LDS church refused to confirm this claim? If so why was Rees unable to prove this to the Summit County Sheriff's Dept when he was investigated for impersonating a bishop?

Do you agree with this statement, as he implies, that the false IP claims he has used for years to destroy our Watermotor project, and my reputation was a result of a minor misunderstanding of intellectual property laws, of which he was not informed, and for which he should not expect to be held responsible?

Hartvigsen seems to be speaking on your behalf here. You must realize he has sent this message out to other people.
Please let me know right away what you intend to do about this.

As I have mentioned to you before, for years whenever anyone actually asks Hartvigsen for proof of his IP claims he doesn't provide it, since it does not exist, but rather makes some extremely defamatory statements about me personally to cover for his fraud.
I can show you several public and private examples in which this type of information from Hartvigsen is referred to.
Did you ask him about this? What did he say?
You told me that as my attorney when you learned the nature of these statements you would inform me about them.

Brian,
Next Monday we are meeting with three vice-ministers in the Bolivian Government regarding the Watermotor project.
We will also meet with the new Director of the Patent Office.( I think I mentioned that I hold more patents on machines than anyone else in Bolivia).
If this matter is not resolved we will request that they inquire into Hartvigsen's threats to have my turbines banned from the U.S. as a trade issue.
These is no reason why this matter should not have already been resolved.

If you have any reason whatsoever to question the veracity of ANY of my statements or doubt the falsity of ANY of Hartvigsen's claims, please let me know.

Best, Ron

--- On Sat, 1/30/10, Joseph Hartvigsen wrote:


From: Joseph Hartvigsen
Subject: Re: spoon copying
To: "davis ron"
Cc: "Brian Kunzler"
Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 6:54 PM

Ron,
I met with your Attorney Brian Kunzler just before Christmas. Brian offered a different view of the applicability of copyright protection than I had been advised when I discussed this with an IP attorney several years ago. His view also differed from what I understood having read the circ01.pdf file I'd referred you to on copyrights.gov Further reading suggested by Brian confirmed his assertion that any functional aspects are not protected by copyright. However, the reading did seem to indicate that there is always the potential that some applicability of copyright could be claimed, particularly since you have not reverse engineered something similar, but actually used the spoon as the form to make a mold for your copies.

I told Brian that "I am willing to agree to disagree privately and to drop the matter publicly." which ironically is where we were 6-8 years ago before you kept bringing this up. I also stated that I cannot concede any point on Peter's behalf, and that I believe that Peter has purchased the copyright from Mrs. Ingela Carlsson or at least secured agreement to use it. The protection offered by this copyright may be very weak, but as I understand it its existence is as undeniable as the existence of the spoons.

So where does that leave us regarding the orange spoons? Basically it is where we were before all of the discussion where you were copying and I, having relayed Peter's displeasure in the practice and having been unsuccessful in negotiating any sort of arrangement, had dropped the mater.

In the mean time I have spent a great deal of time designing a range of new spoon sizes with various design improvements. I have spent tens of thousands of dollars on molds, some of which have been reworked after testing the parts. Having been down this painful road once, I have no interest in starting over with this issue. I don't think it is reasonable that I should invest so much time, thought and money in new products only to enable you to short circuit the process by buying one part to use as a form for making copies. Therefore, if you wish to use any of these new products, such as the greenspoon (150mm pcd with 240 spoons, elliptical or cyl/hemi contours) I will require a signed agreement that you will not copy or enable others to do so as a precondition of sale. I don't expect that you will be interested in such an arrangement, but those will be the terms going forward.

I think Brian can confirm the existence of Bishop Robert Rees, and that I am not making up Mrs. Ingela Carlsson either. I think the only finding in your favor out of our discussions is that I had an incorrect understanding of the strength of protection afforded by copyright. I had already told you repeatedly of my desire to drop the matter.

So what do you want to do at this point?

Joe



Joseph Hartvigsen
Hartvigsen-Hydro
1529 South 400 East
Kaysville, UT 84037 USA

Micro Hydro components, turgo runners
http://h-hydro.com



From: davis ron
To: jjh@ceramatec.com; h-n-h7@msn.com; joe@h-hydro.com
Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 3:56:29 PM
Subject:

Hartvigsen,

Are you still claiming my turbines are "illegal" copies and that you could have them banned from the U.S by U.S. Customs?

Ron Davis,

Ruyter: "I am able to lead these activities to court in any civilized country around the world" Dec. 17, 2005

Ruyter:" I am able to
lead these activities to court in any civilized country around the world.."
Dec. 17, 2005


Plasticspoons
1 of 1 10/04/07 13:23
Subject: Plasticspoons
From: Peter Ruyter
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 00:01:20 +0100
To: davis ron
Mr Davis
In my mail of 00-09-12 I have given you my opinion about your way to walk at the earth.
I can one moore time tell you: You are at the wrong side of normal sense. I am the owner of
all produced plastic spoons, red, white and blue. If anybody without my autorization copie
one of these products for using to make repeting production of these products I am able to
lead these activities to court in any civilized country around the world as a case of
illegal use of copyright.
If you understand these, we can negotiate about royalty, copycost, rental or what you ever
like to call the right to do a copieactivites with our property as masterform. Read
carefully my mail of 00-09-12. You have allready done many professionals at the group
silent and without willing to give know-how to the forum.
As I said, you have realy destroyed the possibility for many poor peoples to take part of
developing works.
I enclose the old mails text, to refresh your memory:
Evening Ron and Diane.
I am a litlle bit sad, beqaus you not answering my mails.
And when I understand you are using my work and make copies of our products.
Its very sad, and its a backslash for whole area of intrest for spending
time, love and monye for developing good working hydroproducts with small
economical frames.
I look for a good explanation and I hope to come in mode for spending moore
power to develop better things and moore power to pore peoples.
Peter
I have also invited you to Sweden, to have a vistit at the family where we overtok the
spoons. The widow, Ingela have ben informed about you and she is not impressed.
Hereby I invite you again, to visit us and meet Ingela and look at her former husbands work.
If you find anything incorrect against all information you have got in this case, I will pay
all of your cost from the minute you leave your home untill the minute you arrive back.
If you understand, during this vsisit, all information you have got are correct, you have to
give Joe Hartvigsen, my US partner, an open mail there you regret all of your activites.
--
All the best!
Peter Ruyter
(owner&responsible)
Cargo &Kraft Turbin Sverige AB
SE-739 92 SKINNSKATTEBERG
SWEDEN
Smallscale hydropower.
2 kW to 4000 kW
1 meter to 30 meter head.
www.hydropower.nu
Phone : +46 222 280 80
Fax: +46 222 280 20
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1 of 1 10/04/07 13:24
Subject: pocoloco
From: Peter Ruyter
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:24:11 +0100
To: Joseph Hartvigsen
Hi Joe!
I have find the earliest mail to pocon when I first time finded out he was makin copies..
I have also finded lot of other s-talk from him..
Do you want me to mail him direkt like:
Mr Davis
In my mail of 00-09-12 I have given you my opinion about your way to walk at the earth.
I can one moore time tell you: You are at the wrong side of normal sense. I am the owner of all produced plastic spoons, red,
white or blue. If anybody without my autorization copie one of these products for using to make repeting production of these
products I am able to lead these activities to court in any civilized country around the world as a case of illegal use of
copyright.
If you understand these, we can negotiate about royalty, copycost, rental or what you ever like to call the right to do a
copieactivites with our property as masterform.
Read carefully my mail of 00-09-12. You have allready done many professionals at the group silent and without willing to give
know-how to the forum.
As I said, you have realy destroyed the possibility for many poor peoples to take part of developing works.
etcetc
Joe, make this text proffesional and as you want me to answer him...
Take care.
Peter
Her is old mails:
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X-Sender: cnsorata@ceibo.entelnet.bo
Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 07:29:45 -0400
To: Peter Ruyter , jjh@ceramatec.com,
ckaybrain@yahoo.com
From: Ron & Diane
Subject: Re: turbinetest
Status:
Peter,
We had some sort misunderstanding. Did you not realize Joseph was
selling the spoons one at a time?
I bought four.
And in my communications I ALWAYS told people where I got them and
recommended them. As you could see, I was promoting your product! Check out
my e-mails.
As to the product itself--you were selling a product on which you
self- admittedly had no data. Do you have data now? Have you tested your
own product?
We just didn’t understand what the problem was. You didn’t write to
clear things up after Diane wrote to you.
I was pretty upset. I really don’t like being accused of wrongdoing!
I don’t think Joseph thought he was doing anything wrong either, or he
wouldn’t have been selling the spoons in partial sets.
I was very clear to him that I was going to use them to make bronze spoons.
I’m sure he must have told you.
So lets clear this matter up so we can work together. O.K?
Ron-----P.S. I couldn’t read your attachment. It just came up code.
Did you see www.watermotor.net
At 23:21 00/09/12 +0200, you wrote:
Evening Ron and Diane.
I am a litlle bit sad, beqaus you not answering my mails.
And when I understand you are using my work and make copies of our products.
Its very sad, and its a backslash for whole area of intrest for spending
time, love and monye for developing good working hydroproducts with small
economical frames.
I look for a good explanation and I hope to come in mode for spending moore
power to develop better things and moore power to pore peoples.
Peter
Subject: Bad day!
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 00:03:37 +0200
From: Peter Ruyter
To: Joseph Hartvigsen
Dear JO.
Long time, no contacts.
Is everything OK? I have for some time contact with your customer Ron
Davis, and order him to call you and find out a way to help him with a good
sulotion to get spoons with special price. I tald him to respect our
contact and go to you and take a discussion. Hi is your custom and a
result of your work. As a marketplayer I will allways respect the rules,
written or not, wich is my ligth and direction for a longlastning member
of serious affairs.
I am very sad when I find out he have made copies of our spoons. Very sad
and dissapointed.
I can tell you the tru story of the spoons.
It was a men comming from the dark forest of west Sweden, he spend all time
and monye to develop this spoons. He burnd for smalscale hydropower and
burnd for economical sulotion of making energy from water. He worked day
and nigth untill he was ca 55 year old.
In a installation of a very small turbine in Iceland, making the life
better for a isolated family he get hartattac and very soon after he died.
He left a family of a wife and two sons. Not very old. In a situation of
caos and poverty. All the capital was wasted and left it was some boxes of
these spoons and hundreds of meter of tubes.
He died in his dreams and left the family in a maredream.
The sons swored to never ever work with this things wich haved killed the
father.
I met the widdow and get this sad storie in my ears. I told her I will help
her and try to turn this products to some small monye. I have promised her
to get the sons news wich can turn the to be positive at the fathers job .
They are now very well educated fro best tchnological shols and the was
very glad for my reports from you. The widdow have everytime you have get e
sending picked the spoons in a cartong and walked down to the post and
secured it will go very well over the atlantic the Mr Hartwigsen. And I
have every time send her monye and say ed Mr Harwigsen is very pleased for
the spoons and she was everytime little bit moore glad for the job her
husband was doing long time a goe. I have byuing all the tubes to get her
some mony for the life. I have them now at a store but she is glad. And
that makes me glad!
All things in this story was small monye but big love, and a salute for the
man who killed him self in the job to get a better world for poore peoples.
In my mind a good hero and foreman for small hydropower. Much much better
tah most of us.
This was the true story of some nice plastic spoons.
So my friend Joe, can you give a advise how I shall tell the dear women the
result of the situation.
How can I explain Ron Davis tok the spoons from here hand, make a copie
and kick here and the family in the as.
This is not good for the future of developing economical sulotions.
If developer knows some will take the result and use them for free, who
will spend time, mone and life for the sake?
No one!
Subject: Mad!
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 00:13:49 +0200
From: Peter Ruyter
To: Joseph Hartvigsen
I was thinking a little time moore about this situation.
I am not sad any moore, only very mad. So damed mad so I can exlpoid any
minute.
No one can steel anythin from the widdow for free.
I hope you can clear this thing out very smoth and soon.
At thursday I will go to Latvia and start up some turbines, helping poore
Latvians out from the shit the communist drag the in to.
I will be back at monday and hope then find good explanations, very good.
So I can face the women and here family.
Otherwise I will tell the whole hydropowerworld wich way the things can go
with openminded and generous thinkings. And I can say I know the result.
Many freethinking dvelopers will close all open cases and keep the result
for other purpuse.
It will be little darker and little colder for many poor familys.
Joe, I am very mad, and very tyerd.
Good nigth.
Peter
Subject: Re: cooling
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 09:38:55 -0400
From: Ron and Diane
To: Joseph Hartvigsen
September 14, 2000
Dear Joseph,
Its good to be in touch.
So your son is going to Trujillo . Well, that is a pretty interesting
area. One of the largest pre- colombian cities, Chan-Chan is just
there. The city was served by an aquaduct of an amazing length, something
like 75k. And it perhaps was destroyed in an earth shift or landslide.
Along its length there were some features which exibit a sophistocated
understanding of water dynamics: A control device protecting viaducts
from damage by overflow. It was in Scientific American years ago.
Anyway, you can imagine what it would be like to suddenly not
have water, perhaps 50-60 thousand people, and the nearest supply is
nowhere near at all. End of city.
So Peter wrote me a really nasty and upsetting e-mail. Didn’t make a
lot of sense to me and I don’t know what to say. I think its pretty easy
to get upset- (perhaps drunk? ) and write stupid things. I’ve waited a
couple of days to see if he writes again. What should I say to him? We
are pretty sensitive to charges of misconduct , having been ripped off
more than once. I told you about our home being burned down in order to
take over the property . I think it is a case of male ego more than
anything else . He might be in the giant ego catagory.
Anyway----its a bummer. I don’t feel I done anything to apolagize for,
or even understand what he is on about.
We are going to mess around with a water jacket on the heat
exchanger when we get back to Coroico. Maybe we can locate an auto air
manual somewhere. I think its worth a try. Thanks for your feedback on that.
I’m going to send you Peter’s e-mail
Best
Regards , Ron
At 11:51 00/09/05 -0600, you wrote:
>Hi Ron,
> Good to hear from you. We are well here in Utah. My son
>started his mission training last week in Provo. He and the
>group he is with will go to Lima the first week of October
>for another month of training. Part of the group will go to
>Bolivia (Santa Cruz) and the rest (including my son) will
>go to Trujillo Peru. We received a letter from him on
>Sat, he is excited and amazed at how much of his 4 years
>of high school Spanish is still there.
>
> Have you been able to turn out good turgo hubs from the
>scrap plastic, and poor drawings I sent? I think the auto
>air conditioner idea is good. In principle there is no reason
>this should not work well. There are some practical technical
>details someone will need to figure out. Car AC systems
>use R12 freon, while house AC units use R22 and freezers
>use yet another refrigerant fluid. The choice of refrigerant
>can have a significant effect on the performance of the system.
Subject: Cast turgo spoons.
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 13:46:03 -0600
From: Joseph Hartvigsen
Organization: Ceramatec/SOFCo
To: Ron and Diane ,
Ron and Diane Davis
Hi Ron,
Bob Hazards runner was working great on 150 psi for
a little while, then it ripped the spoons from the mounting
tang. What would you charge to make cast copies of the
blue spoons in Bolivia (of Aluminum, Bronze, or Stainless)?
Peter has agreed to this as long as I pay $2/spoon, and
Bob has already done so on these. Perhaps you could
make enough profit on the copies to pay royalties for
additional copies, eliminating the import duty you pay
on the spoons. I could collect the money from buyers
such as Bob, and funnel the royalty to Peter for the
copies you keep for your use in Bolivia. For example
if I sell 25 spoons at $8 each (just a wild guess number
for illustration), you could make 100, keep 75 for yourself,
and send me 25. I’d collect $200 and pay Peter for
the 25 sold and your 75 spoons. Would that make
$ sense for you? Anyway, let me know what you
think of making replacements spoons for Bob.
Joe
Subject: Re: Cast turgo spoons.
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 19:06:44 -0400
From: Ron and Diane
To: Joseph Hartvigsen
Dear Joseph,
I’ll look into the cast metal spoons. We do have a traditional casting
industry here and even highly skilled workers charge little for their time.
Do you think that the blue spoons could be done with sand? Or better wax
? I’ll get some quotes. The $2 per unit is O.K.
We still don’t have any technical data.
I had another great idea : What about a portable waterpower unit to use
as a temporary source of power during construction of waterpower sites?
Get the waterpower at the beginning of the project rather than the end.
The Watermotor with the saw, joiner, cutoff disk, drill, grinder,
alternator, and compressor could all go in a single wheelbarrow.
The thinwall 4’’ plastic tube could be in 3m sections joined with 20cm
rubber couples and waterhose clamps and lay along the ground. You could
even run a cement mixer ! Just 1.5 turbine hp would be plenty for these
needs. I think the 6’’ model can get this with only 10meters fall witha
single 4’’ pipe.
And the work crew could watch t.v. at night. And have communications.
Lights. Of course this would most useful away from roads and power lines
where land is dirt cheap, and otherwise it’s muscle power all the way.
. What do you think ?
Ron
At 13:46 01/05/02 -0600, you wrote:
>Hi Ron,
> Bob Hazards runner was working great on 150 psi for
>a little while, then it ripped the spoons from the mounting
>tang. What would you charge to make cast copies of the
>blue spoons in Bolivia (of Aluminum, Bronze, or Stainless)?
>Peter has agreed to this as long as I pay $2/spoon, and
>Bob has already done so on these. Perhaps you could
>make enough profit on the copies to pay royalties for
>additional copies, eliminating the import duty you pay
>on the spoons. I could collect the money from buyers
>such as Bob, and funnel the royalty to Peter for the
>copies you keep for your use in Bolivia. For example
>if I sell 25 spoons at $8 each (just a wild guess number
>for illustration), you could make 100, keep 75 for yourself,
>and send me 25. I’d collect $200 and pay Peter for
>the 25 sold and your 75 spoons. Would that make
>$ sense for you? Anyway, let me know what you
>think of making replacements spoons for Bob.
>
> Joe
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From: "Joseph Hartvigsen"
Subject: Fwd: Re: Fwd: SV: Question from Bolivia--Swedish Turgo Design Rights, Mr. Bo Hallgren
To: "Ron Davis"
Ron,
Nothing is changed here Ron since the last time I answered your
question. The copyright resides with the creator of the article, or his
estate for 70+ years following his death unless sold.
Step 1. Read the law in the link below.
Step 2. Follow the spoons back to their source to find the copyright
holder.
Step 3. Deal with them not me. I was acting at their request years ago,
but have repeatedly, repeadedly, repeatedly ... requested that you deal
with them and not me.
Step 4. Leave me alone about this. It isn't my issue. It is between you
and the legal copyright holder. They are in Sweden.
If you don't believe me and want to be judged in the court of public
opinion, take your argument public again like you did in the microhydro
group. It didn't work for you then and it won't work in the future
because you are in the wrong. If you leave it alone, I'll leave it
alone (I'm not speaking for Peter or Ingella here). But I will defend
myself against any public accusations. Public opinions will side with
me, not you, because any reasonable person can see you are clearly in
the wrong here.
Joe
http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html
http://www.copyright.gov/register/visual.html
http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html#hlc
How Long Copyright Protection Endures
Works Originally Created on or after January 1, 1978
A work that was created (fixed in tangible form for the first time) on
or after January 1, 1978, is automatically protected from the moment of
its creation and is ordinarily given a term enduring for the author’s
life plus an additional 70 years after the author’s death. In the case
of “a joint work prepared by two or more authors who did not work for
hire,” the term lasts for 70 years after the last surviving author’s
death. For works made for hire, and for anonymous and pseudonymous
works (unless the author’s identity is revealed in Copyright Office
records), the duration of copyright will be 95 years from publication
or 120 years from creation, whichever is shorter.
Works Originally Created before January 1, 1978, But Not Published or
Registered by That Date
These works have been automatically brought under the statute and are
now given federal copyright protection. The duration of copyright in
these works is generally computed in the same way as for works created
on or after January 1, 1978: the life-plus-70 or 95/120-year terms
apply to them as well. The law provides that in no case would the term
of copyright for works in this category expire before December 31,
2002, and for works published on or before December 31, 2002, the term
of copyright will not expire before December 31, 2047.
Works Originally Created and Published or Registered before January 1,
1978
Under the law in effect before 1978, copyright was secured either on
the date a work was published with a copyright notice or on the date of
registration if the work was registered in unpublished form. In either
case, the copyright endured for a first term of 28 years from the date
it was secured. During the last (28th) year of the first term, the
copyright was eligible for renewal. The Copyright Act of 1976 extended
the renewal term from 28 to 47 years for copyrights that were
subsisting on January 1, 1978, or for pre-1978 copyrights restored
under the Uruguay Round Agreements Act (URAA), making these works
eligible for a total term of protection of 75 years. Public Law
105-298, enacted on October 27, 1998, further extended the renewal term
of copyrights still subsisting on that date by an additional 20 years,
providing for a renewal term of 67 years and a total term of protection
of 95 years.
Note: forwarded message attached.
Joseph Hartvigsen
Hartvigsen-Hydro
1529 South 400 East
Kaysville, UT 84037 USA
Micro Hydro components, turgo runners
http://h-hydro.com
Forwarded Message
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 08:01:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Joseph Hartvigsen"
Subject: Re: Fwd: SV: Question from Bolivia--Swedish Turgo Design Rights, Mr. Bo Hallgren
To: "davis ron"
Plain Text Attachment
Per your message from Mr. Hallgren below, "Copyright is, as you might
know, normally not registered but it is rarely the case that technical
equipment is protected by copyright."
As he said, technical equipment is not usually protected by copyright,
because a patent can cover an idea not just a specific article. So, a
patent is a stronger protection, but it doesn't last as long and is
much more expensive to obtain (anything is more expensive than free,
which is what an unregistered copyright costs), and in the case of the
turgo concept the patent expired long ago. Note he also said a
copyright is normally not registered. That is because copyright is
still in force even if not registered. Registering, which costs less
that $100 will give the ability to collect triple damages, but is not
required to collect royalties. You can verify this at
http://www.copyright.gov/
The spoons exist, therefore they have a creator and unless he died over
75 years ago they are still covered by copyright (that is the specific
form of the article itself, not the concept is covered by copyright -
you are free to design your own similar device but not copy anyone
else's particular "original expression fixed in a tangible medium" ).
So now we have established that the spoon is covered by copyright - do
you agree?
The question is then who owns the copyright. At the time we first
requested a royalty it was owned by the widow of the spoon's creator,
Mrs. Ingela Carlsson (I have never met her and I may well have
misspelled her name). All of the spoons were mailed directly to me from
her at Peter's request. Since then, Peter has purchased the entire
inventory and rights to the blue and orange spoons, so he personally
owns the copyright. It is really that simple. There is nothing more to
prove. You can't buy these from anyone else, unless they originally
were bought from either Peter or the Carlsson's. I have never heard
anyone claim that Mr. Carlsson or his agent sold this right (except to
Peter) or gave it to the public domain. Therefore any reasonable and
fair minded person would find it obvious that the copyright still
resides with the source of the spoons. I certainly do. Don't you
agree? Good, I'm glad that is settled.
How are you coming with commercializing FiberSil? I hope you've made
good use of your idea since rejecting our offer. We certainly haven't
given it a second thought since then.
You want to know who rrees@utah.gov is check the states web page. I
told you he is an attorney with the state legislature.
http://www.le.state.ut.us/lrgc/staffcom.htm
Joe
--- davis ron wrote:
>
> --- Hallgren Bo wrote:
>
> > Subject: SV: Question from Bolivia--Swedish Turgo
> > Design Rights, Mr. Bo Hallgren
> > Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:53:43 +0100
> > From: "Hallgren Bo"
> > To:
> >
> >
> > Dear Ron Davis,
> >
> > Thank you for your email.
> >
> > The main principle is that the one who claims that
> > he has a protection has to prove it.
> > This means if there is a Patent or Design protection
> > in the country where you produce or sell your
> > product the owner of the right has to provide you
> > with the registration number of his rights.
> >
> > Copyright is, as you might know, normally not
> > registered but it is rarely the case that technical
> > equipment is protected by copyright.
> >
> > I suggest that you consult an expertienced lawyer in
> > this field.
> >
> > Best regards / Bo Hallgren
> > Swedish Intenational Patent Office
>
> >
> >
> > -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> > Från: davis ron [mailto:watermotor@yahoo.com]
> > Skickat: den 2 februari 2006 22:46
> > Till: prv.patent@prv.se
> > Ämne: Question from Bolivia--Swedish Turgo Design
> > Rights, Mr. Bo Hallgren
> >
> >
> > Feb. 2, 06
> >
> > Dear Mr. Hallgren,
> >
> > I am an appropriate technology inventor working
> > with the indigenous people of Bolivia for a number
> > of
> > years.
> > We build small turbines with a patented (in
> > Bolivia)on/off power control switch which allows the
> > turbine to be used in place an electric motor to
> > directly drive machines. (See: watermotor.net)
> > I designed this turbine to use a turgo type turbine
> > wheel which was originally from Sweden.
> > After I designed this turbine and power control
> > system
> > I was told that I should be paying royalties to a
> > man
> > in Sweden to use this turgo design because he owned
> > the "design rights". When I would write to this man
> > in
> > to ask about his design rightsSweden he would not
> > reply--until recently.
> > This is an important matter to us here in Bolivia
> > because we need to know if this man will sue us.
> > He has been demanding $32 U.S. for each turbine we
> > produce.
> > Also, this man tells people that we are cheating
> > him
> > out of royalty money.
> > Recently I asked other members of the Internet
> > Microhydro group we both belong to if anyone knew
> > whether there actually was any sort of patent or
> > design right for this turgo turbine design. I then
> > received a e-mail from the Swedish man threatening
> > me
> > with legal action if I used this design without his
> > consent. But he again failed to provide any
> > information about the design rights he says he has.
> > He now refuses to answer my e-mails.
> > My understanding is that even if "design rights"
> > actually exist, and he owns them, they would not
> > apply
> > in this situation because my turbines are cast
> > aluminum or bronze, not plastic as his are. My turgo
> > wheel are also a different size as well.
> > Since he has threatened to sue me I must take this
> > seriously. He has far more resources than we do.
> > From his statement he is claiming that under
> > Swedish
> > law he has the right to do this. If he does not have
> > the rights he claims to have then perhaps he may be
> > guilty of attempted fraud and extortion.
> > This has been going on for several years and it
> > has
> > been damaging to our work here in Bolivia.
> > We need to know what to do in this case. I feel
> > that
> > this man would not be trying to do this if we were
> > not
> > in a poor country in South America.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Ron Davis,
> > Campo Nuevo,
> > La Paz, Bolivia
> >
> > watermotor@yahoo.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Here is his last letter:
> >
> > Sat, 17 Dec 2005 00:01:20 +0100
> > To: "davis ron"
> > From: "Peter Ruyter" View
> > Contact Details Add Mobile Alert
> > Subject: Plasticspoons
> >
> > Mr Davis
> > In my mail of 00-09-12 I have given you my opinion
> > about your way to
> > walk at the earth.
> > I can one moore time tell you: You are at the wrong
> > side of normal
> > sense. I am the owner of all produced plastic
> > spoons,
> > red, white and
> > blue. If anybody without my autorization copie one
> > of
> > these products
> > for using to make repeting production of these
> > products I am able to
> > lead these activities to court in any civilized
> > country around the
> > world as a case of illegal use of copyright.
> > If you understand these, we can negotiate about
> > royalty, copycost,
> > rental or what you ever like to call the right to do
> > a copieactivites
> > with our property as masterform. Read carefully my
> > mail of 00-09-12.
> > You have allready done many professionals at the
> > group
> > silent and
> > without willing to give know-how to the forum.
> > As I said, you have realy destroyed the possibility
> > for many poor
> > peoples to take part of developing works.
> >
> > I enclose the old mails text, to refresh your
> > memory:
> > >> Evening Ron and Diane.
> > >> I am a litlle bit sad, beqaus you not answering
> > my
> > mails.
> > >> And when I understand you are using my work and
> > make copies of our
> > products.
> > >> Its very sad, and its a backslash for whole area
> > of intrest for
> > spending
> > >> time, love and monye for developing good working
> > hydroproducts with
> > small
> > >> economical frames.
> > >> I look for a good explanation and I hope to come
> > in mode for
> > spending moore
> > >> power to develop better things and moore power
> > to
> > pore peoples.
> > >> Peter
> >
> > I have also invited you to Sweden, to have a vistit
> > at
> > the family
> > where we overtok the spoons. The widow, Ingela have
> > ben informed
> > about you and she is not impressed.
> >
> > Hereby I invite you again, to visit us and meet
> > Ingela
> > and look at
> > her former husbands work.
> > If you find anything incorrect against all
> > information
> > you have got
> > in this case, I will pay all of your cost from the
> > minute you leave
> > your home untill the minute you arrive back.
> >
> > If you understand, during this vsisit, all
> > information
> > you have got
> > are correct, you have to give Joe Hartvigsen, my US
> > partner, an open
> > mail there you regret all of your activites.
> > --
> > All the best!
>
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Joseph Hartvigsen
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Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 13:34:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Joseph Hartvigsen"
Subject: Quiz for Ron
To: "davis ron"
CC: "Peter Ruyter"
Ron,
Given the subject lines of your last two emails,
"Dr. Hartvigsen---more than your word as a Mormon-PUBLIC QUESTION!"
and,
"I guess that means the answer is NO!"
I can only assume that you are having difficulty grasping the simple concepts that I've outlined in great detail for you.
So, here is a true or false quiz for you. I'll give you a hint, all the answers are true, but if you still have some trouble
with it please tell me which question you have difficulty in answering true. Then I will be happy to address that question
in further detail.
Q1 The blue and orange turgo spoons exist.
Q2 These turgo spoons were created by someone.
Q3 These turgo spoons were not created by Ron or Joe.
Q4 These turgo spoons were created by someone who is either alive or has been dead for less than 70 years (hint -
injection molded glass filled nylon is less than 50 years old).
Q5 US and International copyright law automatically covers the spoon design without filing any paperwork, for the
lifetime of the creator, and prohibits unauthorized copies, with provisions for civil and criminal penalties for violations.
(Hint, review the URLs I provided to copyright.gov for complete details)
Q6 Joseph Hartvigsen was supplied turgo spoons from the copyright owner (the creator's estate or later the purchaser
from the creator's estate)
Q7 Joseph Hartvigsen sold Ron Davis turgo spoons and paid the entire sales price to his spoon supplier (i.e. at no
profit).
Q8 Ron Davis made un-authorized replicas of the orange turgo spoon.
Q9 Joseph Hartvigsen reported this activity to the spoon supplier.
Q10 The spoon supplier requested that Ron pay $2/copy to the legal copyright holder.
Q11 Ron refused to comply with this request.
Need I go any further? Again, tell me which question you can't clearly answer true? What is the obvious conclusion?
Joe
Joseph Hartvigsen
Hartvigsen-Hydro
1529 South 400 East
Kaysville, UT 84037 USA
Micro Hydro components, turgo runners
http://h-hydro.com

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"My" Lawyer, Salt Lake City Patent Attorney, Brian Kunzler, Meets With Hartvigsen, Dec. 23, 09

"My" Lawyer, Salt Lake City Patent Attorney, Brian Kunzler, Meets With Hartvigsen: "I told him that in turn, I would ask you to refrain from discussing him on-line or contacting him about any right or lack of rights to the design". Dec.23,09

From:

"Brian Kunzler" Dec.23, 09

To:

"davis ron"

Ron,

I met with Joe Hartvigsen today. I explained the law to him regarding copyrights and our position that neither he, Peter, or the widow has an exclusive right to stop you from using the water turbine design. This stems from the fact that copyright law cannot cover a product like the water turbine that is largely functional and does not have a significant aesthetic component.

I asked him to refrain from stating that you have no right to sell the design. I told him that in turn, I would ask you to refrain from discussing him on-line or contacting him about any right or lack of rights to the design. He seemed reasonable, and I think we can lay this to rest and the two of you can go your separate ways.

Brian

Brian C. Kunzler

Kunzler and McKenzie

8 East Broadway, Suite 600

Salt Lake City, Utah 84111

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Libel, Fraud, Extortion--Description of problem to SLC patent attorney Kunzler March 22, 09

Description of problem to SLC patent attorney Kunzler March 22, 09


Watermotor Turbine design ownership dispute in Bolivia
Sunday, March 22, 2009 5:16 PM
From:
"davis ron"
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To:
kunzler@kmiplaw.com
Dear Mr. Kunzler,

I am an "appropriate technology" inventor from California living for
many years in Bolivia. My wife, Diane Bellomy, and I have a private aid project here called Campo Nuevo, a 17 year old volunteer program working in state children's homes called Los Amigos del Hogar, as well as a 30 year old textile art business called Artesania Sorata. (artesaniasorata.com)

On the appropriate technology side our chief project has been to develop a small water powered turbine which can be used to drive machines such as grain mills and woodworking tools directly with water power--a "Watermotor" (watermotor.net).
There was an article about this project in Home Power Magazine (June/July 1999)

I spent considerable time and expense on this project, including building and testing many turbines wheels before finally settling on a "turgo" type turbine design from Sweden being offered to the members of the Yahoo microhydro e-group. There was absolutely no assertion of design ownership made at the time.
For this turbine wheel I designed and patented a unique power control system which allows the turbine power output to be controlled as easily as an electric motor, allowing it to be used to directly drive machines.
(This is shown in annimation on the watermotor.net site)
We conducted the first laboratory testing of this turbine wheel, built a rural demonstration site over the Andes to show it running a variety of machines (see watermotorturbine on Youtube), produced a video, website and set up production.
Then, after all this, an engineer in Salt Lake City named Joseph Hartvigsen began claiming that his partner in Sweden owned the Swedish turbine wheel design, and that I owed him $32 per turbine as "royalty" payments. That began about eight years ago.
It was Hartvigsen himself who had originally suggested we use this turbine, which he called an "orphan" design.

Hartvigsen and his new "partner" in Sweden, Peter Ruyter, began telling a story that the design came from an old widow in Sweden named Ingela Carlsson, whose husband had invented it, and that Ruyter had bought the design from her. Hartvigsen now said it was a "un-registered copyright".

They publicly accused me to my coleagues worldwide on the microhydro e-group, as they do to this day, of cheating her out of royalty payments.

I told them many times that I would be very willing to discuss royalty payments if they could prove there was any such person as the Widow Ingela Carlsson, and proof of sale, and that as an "un-registered copyright" the design was protected for use as an internal machine part in Bolivia.
In fact I had made substantial changes to the original design by producing it in metal (the original was plastic)changing the shape, color, weight, etc.

Their widow Carlsson story was suspect from the beginning. They could not say where she lived, what the inventor, her husband's, name was, or produce any proof of Ruyter's purchase of the design, or the date of purchase.
The Swedish patent office told me that anyone claiming design protection was expected to be able to prove it. They had no registered copyrights or patents at all on this type of turbine.

I wrote to the Swedish police in every department, the government census offices and welfare agancies, and the Swedish microhydro association looking for Ingela Carlson and her husband without results.
I also offered a $1000 reward to five Swedish detective agancies and in eleven newspapers without any results at all.
My conclusion is that the entire widow Ingela Carlson story is a hoax fabricated by Hartvigsen and Ruyter in order to take over a design in public domain by fraud after I had spent years working on developing it.
Neither they, nor anyone else has been able to prove any such person as the widow they tell everyone I am cheating, exists.

Hartvigsen has almost certainly told everyone he knows and works with the story of the widow he is protecting, so it would be very damaging to him for it to be shown to be a complete fabrication.

I also believe he was telling this story to his co-workers at Ceramatec when they were testing a anaerobic setting cellulose fiber re-inforced silicone rubber compound I had invented and, at Hartvigsen's suggestion, submitted to Ceramatec for testing.
Later I learned from Hartvigsen himself that he and the new company owner, Ashok Joshi, had made themselves "co-inventors" of my compound, and had kept my business correspondance to Ceramatec out of the company files.

A central idea behind my Watermotor design was to develop a small turbine which could be locally produced in small workshops all over the "third world". I would never have chosen a copyright or patented turbine wheel design. It seemed as though Hartvigsen and Ruyter deliberately waited until I had done all the work to develop the Watermotor before beginning their taleover campaign against me.
In other words, it was a set-up.

Since then there has been an unrelenting effort to destroy my Watermotor project and my reputation in the microhydro community.
They contact my clients and convince them to cancel their orders.
They sent someone to threaten my co-workers here in Bolivia.
Defamatory messages about me and my product are posted on the microhydro e-group site, to which I am not allowed to reply.

Ruyter has sent me photos of himself with guns, and threats. He has publicly denounced me as a "terrorist".(search google: ron davis turbine)

I have many, many e-mails proving everything I have told you here.
I will send you some examples, if I may. There is a very recent posting to the microhydro e-group repeating his claims.

The Watermotor was my life's work and I simply cannot let these individuals destroy it out of their greed.
Please help us if you can.


P.S. My wife and I may have to return to the U.S. in order for her to be treated at the CDC in Atlanta. My doctor has advised living at a lower altitude for me because of a heart and lung condition. I am 62. (La Paz is at 12,500 ft.)

All the best, and thank you for reading this.

Ron Davis,
Campo Nuevo,
La Paz, Bolivia

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