From: Robert Rees
Subject: Re: Hartvigsen
To: watermotor@yahoo.com
Cc: jjh@ceramatec.com
Date: Wednesday, July 6, 2005, 6:25 PM
Mr. Davis,
Thank you for your email messages regarding the apparent dispute between you
and Joseph Hartvigsen. I am the bishop or ecclestiastical leader of the local
unit of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints of which Mr. Hartvigsen
is a member. I wish I were in a position to be able to help resolve your
dispute. However, the Church's disciplinary council system is designed to
assist a member of the Church who has engaged in conduct contrary to Church
teachings to repent and return to good standing. It is not intended to resolve
disputes between individuals. I have known Mr. Hartvigsen for roughly 13
years. He is an upstanding and honorable person and has not done anything of
which I am aware to put his standing in the Church in question. He turned to me
in apparent frustration over not being successful in his efforts to resolve the
dispute with you. But there is really nothing I can do to help. I wish you
well.
Sincerely,
Bob Rees
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June 25, 05
Hello Mr. Rees,
Greetings from Bolivia.
Joseph Hartvigsen had suggested that we submit a
dispute between us to a church disciplinary committee,
to which he would be willing to present all of the
relevant evidence regarding the matters, consisting
entirely of e-mails between himself, his company, and
us.
I indicated that I would be willing to do the same.
Now he is saying that he will only present to his
church authorities only what he is specifically asked
for. Is that a normal procedure when examining an
ethical matter regarding a church member?
Is it possible that he actually made a prior
agreement with the LDS committee that he himself would
be allowed to pick and choose the material on which
they are to base their judgment?
All of the e-mail correspondence between Hartvigsen
and ourselves is relevant to our dispute, and I would
think very much of interest to the LDS church because
he was constantly referring to his own and his
family's relationship to the LDS religion, his LDS
family history, sending me letters from his missionary
son, telling me about the Book of Mormon, even
offering to send missionaries to our home.
Unfortunately, we have come to feel that he was using
his religion to help obtain our confidence, not out of
interest for our spiritual betterment, because it now
seems that he was at the same time engaged in
calculated dishonesty for personal gain.
If so, this would constitute outrageous betrayal of
one's professed faith, and a crime of magnitude in any
authentic religion.
I feel that he now expects his own church
disciplinary committee to help him cover up both his
dishonesty and betrayal.
I feel that by agreeing to allow an organization
with which Hartvigsen and his family have well-known
and substantial connections, and one justly famous for
protecting their own, to review this matter, we are
demonstrating good faith on our part.
Can Hartvigsen say the same?
We could have suggested that we submit the matter
to a similar committee of our own faith. Would
Hartvigsen ever have agreed to this arrangement?
We are quite willing to turn over everything we have
regarding these matters, and expect the same from Mr.
Hartvigsen.
What possible excuse can he have for asking me to
agree to intercession by his church, then, after I
accept, now refusing to freely present whatever
evidence is available? How could this be acceptable to
the committee?
We would be happy to discuss this matter with the
LDS church disciplinary committee if we knew how to
contact them. Could you yourself please send us the
appropriate address?
All the best,
Ron Davis, Diane Bellomy
Campo Nuevo,
La Paz, Bolivia,
tel. 591 2 2493646
watermotor@yahoo.com
www.watermotor.net
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