Re: Something to Investigate? Please see this.
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Joseph Hartvigsen
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To: davis ron
Ron,
I am not head of anything. I don't have anything to do with Bechtel. The only time I've met their people visited their office in San Francisco was in the fall of 1981 when I was a senior in college on our ChE senior class trip. I can assure you they paid no attention to me. We also visited IBM and Exxon and a paper company. I've never heard of the Bolivian water issue from anyone but you. The INL is run by the Battelle Energy Alliance which does not include Bechtel as far as I can tell. Maybe they were involved before, but not in the time I've worked with the INL.
I was and am still principal investigator for hydrogen production from high temperature electrolysis as an efficient way to store energy. Whether it comes from nuclear, wind, solar or hydro makes no difference to the process. It was first funded from renewable energy within DOE, then funding moved to nuclear energy, and now it appears to be shifting back to renewable energy support. I think nuclear energy is an important part of our energy plan along with renewables if we are to effectively deal with CO2 levels and fossil fuel declines.
All the money in the world? You are totally delusional. I drive an old car and live in a modest house in a neighborhood with school teachers and truck drivers. If I was starting a war on your watermotor why did I offer to buy spoons from you and then offer to just pay the $2 on your behalf? If I was starting a war on you why would I drop it until you made fictitious postings to the group? The answer is clear in your message. You are a leftist political ideologue. I didn't share your anti-Bush, anti-US, anti-war on terror views. That turned me from being a friend to being an enemy. By the way, past President George W Bush is in town signing his Decision Points memoir today. Do you want me to run out and get you an autographed copy? Which of your names should I have President Bush use in the inscription? Ron, or is it Otto Rike, or K. D. Lee or Poco Baya or Abuelo Che maybe? You are the most relentless liar I've ever run across. You even lie to yourself and won't face the truth.
Joe
From: davis ron
To: h-n-h7@msn.com; joe@h-hydro.com; jjh@ceramatec.com
Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 10:07:06 AM
Subject: Joe, Something to Investigate? Please see this.
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From: davis ron
To: pstack@sltrib.com
Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 12:59:20 PM
Subject: Peggy: Something to Investigate? Please see this.
Hello Peggy,
This might be of interest to an investigative reporter.
A group of right wing engineers started a war against our Watermotor aid project (watermotor.net) here in Bolivia when my wife and I publicly opposed Bush's wars on Afghanistan and later on Iraq.
The individual leading this was Joseph Hartvigsen, the head of a nuclear energy program at the Bechtel built INEEL nuclear facility in Idaho.
His company, Ceramatec, is owned by J.K.Coors.
We are members of a group here in Bolivia which supported the nationalization of the illegally acquired Cochabamba water system by Bechtel. This was, I believe the first defeat for a multinational in the Globalization scheme.
We also helped organize a demonstration to request that the former president Goni be returned to face human rights charges.
Some years ago (1983) I organized a protest against George Schultz and Caspar Weinberger, both from Bechtel, who were running the war against Nicaragua, at the Bohemian Club in 1983.
For five years I have been prevented by the list owner, Wim Klunne, from replying to the statements and accusations placed on the Yahoo microhydro group site (microhydropower.net).
Please see:
http://watermotorstory.blogspot.com/2010/11/hartvigsen-began-his-war-
on-watermotor.html
As intended, after five straight years these people have pretty much destroyed our rural microhydro aid project.
Any ideas? They have all the money in the world and are relentless liars.
Ron Davis
Diane Bellomy
La Paz, Bolivia
artesaniasorata.com
watermotor.net
watermotorturbine on Youtube
Let's be clear hear Ron. This quote,
ReplyDelete"That turned me from being a friend to being an enemy." is referring to your opinion of me, not my opinion of you. That is to say you seem to see me as your enemy. It does not imply, and I have never said that I see you as my enemy. I do see you as deluded, irrational, irritating and annoyingly persistent, but I am still open to helping you as I have been from the beginning.
errata: "hear" should read "here" if you can hear here
ReplyDeleteMost informed American's would now agree that, in a number of ways,Bush as a president was a disaster for America, that the wars he started were a serious mistake, and that the American public was deliberately misled by the "mainstream" media and officials in order to obtain support.
ReplyDeleteMany now would also agree that 9/11 was used as an excuse to violate the very constitutional rights the government was claiming to be fighting to defend.
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ReplyDeleteThe fact remains that before 2002 when I gave my position in support of going offshore to pursue terrorists (in reply to your dismay at that policy) we got along. I thought I gave a reasoned and balanced point of view that while it differed from yours was not intended to offend or attack. The sequel to the first observation is that you went silent for a time and ever since then have dealt with me as an enemy and have refused to engage in a rational discussion of your issues with me.
ReplyDeleteWe never discussed politics, but you and your accomplices do accuse me of being a "communist" behind my back. You do this when they want to find out why you were unable to prove to our lawyer that your "partner" Peter Ruyter owns the turgo design we use, as you and Ruyter have been telling the public on the Internet for five years.
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