Hartvigsen Proof of Turgo Design Ownership, Dec.23, 09

The scrap of paper shown here is what Joseph Hartvigsen presented to our lawyer on Dec. 23, 09, as proof of his decade long public claims that his partner in Sweden owns the turgo design we use, that our Watermotor turbines are "illegal". It is also his proof that we are cheating an old lady in Sweden out of her legitimate right to collect royalty payments from us. Hartvigsen has used this claim, made continuously to the worldwide microhydro community on the Internet to destroy our rural microhydro project in Bolivia, and to build up his own turbine business.

Photo of Peter Ruyter with Guns

When asked for proof of his right to claim ownership of the Turgo design, as the law requires, he would send insults and threats and a photo of himself with guns.

Watermotor 150 with bronze and aluminum turgo runner

The Watermotor has evolved into a modern
version the ancient European "spoonwheel" design of the 1500's.
The efficient spoonwheel was used to drive vertical shaft grain mills and was actually an early turbine-- hundreds of years before the word "turbine " was invented.

And Kunzler refused to accept this proof from you?

Monday, December 13, 2010 6:42 PM

From:

"Joseph Hartvigsen"

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To:

"davis ron"

Cc:

"Peter Ruyter"

Yes you are correct that Brian was not interested in 1-4. However it is also correct that items 1-4 are in fact true. I was prepared to discuss the situation and show or obtain whatever degree of documentation might be necessary, though you yourself have 2-3 directly from Peter over the years. Further you have seen a signed handwritten note regarding 1. Did you want it witnessed and notarized in Swedish? For item 4 there is only one way to see that and that is to go to Sweden. It is a private business record. If that is in fact not true it is none of your business, but would be a matter between Ingella and Peter alone. However since 4 is true and easily verified you were invited to Sweden to view private business documents. What more did you want? I think the financial terms that were offered by Peter and me for your visit were highly generous and conciliatory.

What I would dispute below is 5. I did not threaten you for years. As far as I recall there was one email where I mentioned that such a recourse was available if you chose to keep harassing us over this issue. Further, this only came to the attention of the microhydro group because of your bogus alias postings threatening to "expose" our supposed injustice to you. We had no choice but to respond with our side of the story.

We're still awaiting a shred of evidence that Ron Davis, Otto Rike, K. D. Lee, Poco Baya, Abuelo Che, or Austin Baines actually exists and is not the alias of some fugitive from justice. Won't that be rich irony when we uncover the truth that whoever you are is in fact a fugitive from justice, after years of enduring your vile blasts of calumny?

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From: davis ron
To: h-n-h7@msn.com; joe@h-hydro.com; jjh@ceramatec.com
Sent: Mon, December 13, 2010 4:16:15 PM
Subject: And Kunzler refused to accept this proof from you?

So you are telling me that you came to the Dec.23, 09 meeting with Kunzler offering proof that my turbines were "illegal". This would include 1.proof of the existence of your Swedish widow Ingela Carlson, whom for five years you and Ruyter have told the membrship of the Internet Yahoo microhydro group I am cheating out of "royalty" payments, 2. proof of your "exclusive right to produce" this turgo design, as you told the group you had, 3. authorization by Ruyter to collect royalty payments from me, as you publicly claimed, 4. proof of Peter Ruyter´s legal ownership of the turgo design, 5.and proof to support for your four years of threats to have my turbines banned from the U.S. All of which you have claimed mant times could be presented in a court of law? And Kunzler refused to accept thisproof from you? --- On Mon, 12/13/10, Joseph Hartvigsen wrote: From: Joseph Hartvigsen Subject: Re: The Bottom Line for Internet Fraudsters To: "davis ron" Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 5:55 PM "In my meeting with Mr. Hartvigsen, I explained that the existence of the widow was of no consequence," Yes, so he was not interested in any evidence of her existence and as far as I was concerned the only relevance to you is that you use this to justify your position that we had lied about her existence. "as they have no proprietary rights absent patents, which they do not hold. Even if they did, they would have to hold them in the all countries they are trying to preclude sales in." Have I ever said there was a patent? As far as I know the only relevant patent was Gilkes which expired long ago. The issue we had was your direct replication using the orangespoon as a mold form. Did I not post examples of others making similar parts that were not direct copies? It was never discussed a turgo concept invention claim, only a copyright issue by using the part as the form for making other parts. "He did not establish her existence, nor did I see a license agreement. Again, both are irrelevant." How plain can he be. He was not interested in this. It was irrelevant to him as far as the law was concerned. "Copyright law does not cover what they are doing." This was counter to what I'd referred you to on copyrights.gov You never gave any counter reference. I followed his reference suggestions and found that in the US Brian's assertion is how the courts rule. In other countries using a copyright article (drawing, set of plans, widget) to make a copy IS considered a violation. So this is a gray area outside the US. Still I posted this information as you requested. "He agreed to let it drop if you would. If he continues to cause you a loss of business by claiming a proprietary right that does not exist, he is committing a business tort and is opening himself up to a law suit." I have been trying to drop this for years and years. When will you drop it? Am I still claiming a "proprietary right that does not exist"? I don't think so. If you think so please explain what I am doing to make you say that. Joe

Hartvigsen: "Anyway, I think the answer is no, you don't have that right".

Hartvigsen: "Anyway, I think the answer is no, you don't have that right".
Nov. 10, 2010


From: Joseph Hartvigsen
To: davis ron
Sent: Wed, November 10, 2010 9:47:53 PM
Subject: Re: Hartvigsen and Ruyter--Do you deny that I have always had an absolute right to demand that you present proof to support your public claims that my Watermotor turbines are illegal?
And that you had a legal obligation to provide that proof?

Ron,
I think there is a disconnect on the standard of proof. I've repeatedly outlined the facts that any "original expression fixed in a tangible medium" is copyright without filing. I've given you the U.S. Government documents stating as such (circ01.pdf from copyrights.gov) The spoons exist, therefor there is a copyright. The identity of their creator was known and obvious to everyone except you, as being the historical source of the spoons and later his heir and her assignee (Peter). Do you have a legal right to demand dated drawings and invoices for the original spoons I've created? It is possible that such documentation never existed if someone designed from their head and built with their own hands. Anyway, I think the answer is no, you don't have that right. It should be obvious as there has never been any other primary source for these items. The same logic applies to the spoons from Sweden.

And, as I keep saying since talking to Brian it is all moot given the legal interpretation given to functional items that the copyright only protects the appearance and brand sort of issues and not the function. Further, we never were going after you. You were going after us and we were defending our position for having asked in the first place. That has always been clearly articulated in public postings in response to your badgering. You have also had a long standing invitation to go view the original documents. There is no legal responsibility to deliver any such proof to your doorstep.

So, when do you want to see this proof you are so insistent on seeing? As we keep saying, if you want to see the proof go visit Peter but there is no obligation for us to go to Bolivia to show you and there is no way you get your own copies of private documents.

When do you want to go? The evidence provided yesterday should be sufficient to give you expectation of seeing what you seek when you arrive in Sweden.

Joe


From: davis ron
To: Joseph Hartvigsen
Sent: Wed, November 10, 2010 4:24:18 PM
Subject: Re: Hartvigsen and Ruyter--..I have always had an absolute right to demand that you present proof..

Joe
This is a central point:

Do you deny that I have always had an absolute right to demand that you present proof to support your public claims that my Watermotor turbines are illegal?
And that you had a legal obligation to provide that proof?



Joseph Hartvigsen, ceramatec, brian kunzler lawyer, extortion, fraud, Internet fraud, sweden, IP rights, turgo design, watermotor, wim klunne, corruption, IP law, Swedish police, bolivia

Ruyter:"No one have ever said a word about turgo design, only turgo spoons" Dec.10, 2010.

Fri, December 10, 2010 4:42:26 PM

Re: Ron Davis, Otto Rike, K. D. Lee, Poco Baya, Abuelo Che, Austin Baines.

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From:	Peter Ruyter ... Add to Contacts
To:	Otto Rike ; Joseph Hartvigsen

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You move in your own circle of junk. Over and over again....like a shot rabbit. Same track back, same junk again. Its much better to ask someone when you use the truth, its much simpler. Because you use same shit on and on and on. No matter what anyone says to you. You are simply the most boring person in end of hundreds mails. You have no bloody right to ask of nothing concern any company information. No one have ever said a word about turgodesign, only turgo spoons. Can you get that in to your smoked head. If not, you are damned alone to not understand that.

Ron Davis, Otto Rike, K. D. Lee, Poco Baya, Abuelo Che, Austin Baines, its maybe time to let the cavalry get in and see whats finds.

I think, you are a very scared individual. And as I know, you have to be..scared.

Summary:

Ron Davis, Otto Rike, K. D. Lee, Poco Baya, Abuelo Che, Austin Baines

1. You cant prove your right id. (why??)

2. You react at some words..which pointing at one direction. (you know)

3. You have clearly paranoia. All your mails confirms. (its clearly showing at your mails)

4. Your acting over the time shows, you are a criminal person. (many persons know, selling one thing and deliver another and start shit talk about that, etc.etc, criminal mind)

5. You have no guts to use all opportunities to solve the on going spoon problem. (you cant say you don't get chances)

6. You have no guts to engage all institutions you talked about, I welcome all of them. (Swedish police etc.etc)

7. How you plan your future. (stay hiding behind a women shirt, hiding behind Bolivian jungle, hiding behind Ron Davis, Otto Rike, K. D. Lee, Poco Baya, Abuelo Che, Austin Baines)

I am tired at your shit, so are all others.

At last, for your information:

This, Ron Davis, Otto Rike, K. D. Lee, Poco Baya, Abuelo Che, Austin Baines-things interesting readers much more than your crapp of spoons. They know everything about spoon-story, but not about Ron Davis, Otto Rike, K. D. Lee, Poco Baya, Abuelo Che, Austin Baines-story.

I think some is trying to find the guy behind Ron Davis, Otto Rike, K. D. Lee, Poco Baya, Abuelo Che, Austin Baines. Only for your information.

9 dec 2010 kl. 21.21 skrev Otto Rike:

Ruyter,
If you feel that anything I have written to you or anyone else is untrue or unfair please feel free to let me know. Be specific!
Otherwise I will consider that your childlike insults, like those of the con-man Hartvigsen, are made to divert attention from your lack of anything of substance to present in your own defence.

Why not discuss your turgo design ownership claims like an adult?

For example, do you agree with your accomplice Hartvigsen´s statement that I have no right to ask for proof of the public turgo design ownership claims you and he have used to destroy our Watermotor project?
Will you answer that simple question?
Of course not!

Please contribute to the ongoing discussion of this matter on the watermotorstory.blogspot.com
Unlike your Microhydro Mafia, we do not restrict free speach. Notice that we have even allowed the criminal Hartvigsen to post his lying comments.

Ron Davis

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From: Peter Ruyter <peter.ruyter@cargo-kraft.se>
To: Otto Rike <ottorike@yahoo.com>
Cc: Joseph Hartvigsen <joe@h-hydro.com>
Sent: Thu, December 9, 2010 2:57:10 PM
Subject: Ron Davis, Otto Rike, K. D. Lee, Poco Baya, Abuelo Che, Austin Baines.

Last week, was a good week without any mails about the incredible sick bolivian story. It was a good week, and I say to myself, let the old man goes and maybe he find some peace.

But, as many of the informed persons says, he is so sick so he will never understand and therefore hi will continue this intimidations.

Ron Davis, Otto Rike, K. D. Lee, Poco Baya, Abuelo Che, Austin Baines, you have proved what the profiler says.
In short terms we read: This is a danger character. Even if proved beyond, this type of person will never admit. etc etc.

Ron Davis, Otto Rike, K. D. Lee, Poco Baya, Abuelo Che, Austin Baines, maybe its time to ripp of the bedspread and show the real naked guy underneath.

We must know with who we are communicating.

What do you think?

Ron Davis, Otto Rike, K. D. Lee, Poco Baya, Abuelo Che, Austin Baines, give me a answer.

PS You dug up the photo from our hunting meeting. And dare to say we are threaten you with guns. You going on to fuel lot of informeds laugh.

Hartvigsen's Internet War on the Watermotor-How it worked.

Hartvigsen began his War on the Watermotor on Dec.12, 05, with the help of Wim Klunne, list owner of the Yahoo microhydro group. (microhydropower.net)

It was very simple---Hartvigsen tells the membership that my turbines are "illegal" because, according to him, his partner in Sweden, Peter Ruyter, owns the turgo turbine design we use in our Watermotors, and that I refuse to pay them "royalties".

Wim Klunne knows very well that Hartvigsen has been making this claim for years without proof, as the law requires.
But what he does is to prevent me from making any reply.
Of course the membership does not realize he is doing this. Members demand that I reply to the charges.
In fact, Klunne even assures the membership that he WILL allow me to reply.
Then privately tells me he will not.
Later the membership is assured I WAS allowed to reply.
My apparent non-response is held up to them as proof of guilt. Hartvigsen and Klunne have been doing this for five years.

The following is pretty typical of how the Yahoo microhydro group site has been deliberately and consistently used to destroy our Watermotor project.
This particular Hartvigsen inspired tirade against me goes on until Nov. 7 th 09.

A little over a month after these massages were posted, (Dec. 23, 09) Hartvigsen met with a Patent Attorney, Brian Kunzler, in Salt Lake City. We hired Brian to receive the proof of turgo design ownership Hartvigsen had been telling the Yahoo microhydro group he had.
He was going to prove the old lady in Sweden he has being telling everyone he has collecting funds for really exists. And that he had an exclusive license to produce these turbine runners.

This is the proof of turgo design ownership was what he had been threatening to turn over to the U.S. Customs service since Dec.8, o6, in order to prevent my Watermotors from being imported into the U.S. This is what he what he had o show as proof for my clients he has told that my turbines are illegal.

Big Surprise.

Neither he nor Peter Ruyter had anything whatsoever to present to the lawyer to support their claims. They are simply con men acting with the help of Wim Klunne.
But they have gone right on making these claims, and Wim Klunne is going right on allowing them to do so on the Yahoo microhydro site.
See Below.

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/microhydro/message/11719



hartvigsen, fraud, kunzler, ruyter, sweden, micro hydro, ceramatec, wim klunne, bolivia, turgo turbine, swedish patent office, joseph hartvigsen, wim klunne, yahoo microhydro group,

Ceramatec's Joshi heads Matheson donation list, Oct. 8, 2010

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Matheson has loyal following of individual donors

By Matt Canham

The Salt Lake Tribune

Published: September 5, 2010 12:00AM
Updated: October 8, 2010 01:37PM

philantrophy day 2 magid 11/1/07 Norma Matheson, left, and Barbara Pioli at Utah Philantrophy Day awards ceremony. magid photo

Washington • Rep. Jim Matheson is by far the biggest fundraiser among Utah’s three House members, representing a district that is often competitive. While he raises most of his money from political action committees run by business groups, unions and politicians, he still has a small core of committed individual donors.

The Salt Lake Tribune analyzed contributions from each of Matheson’s six House elections to determine which families rank among his top 10 contributors of all time. These loyal supporters, some of whom are quite wealthy, are limited by federal rules on how much they can give. PACs can donate $5,000 per election (convention, primary and general), while individuals can contribute $2,400 per election.

1. Ashok and Surekha Joshi

Ceramatec

Total contributions • $33,644

Matheson’s top contributors run a company that has benefited from federal earmarks secured with the congressman’s help. It’s hard to tell if their ties go beyond this. The Joshis did not return calls seeking comment.

They run Ceramatec, a Utah company that develops new uses for ceramics, including biofuels and the delivery of pain medication. Matheson has helped the company secure at least three earmarks in recent years, including a $1.6 million defense grant in 2008. Matheson hasn’t sponsored an earmark for the company in the past two years.

Back in 2008, Ashok Joshi told The Tribune he contributes for two reasons: his wife is a supporter and he hoped the contributions would help get federal funds.

“I also feel that appropriations have politics behind [them], so naturally I want my representatives to fight to get the money to Utah,” he said.

Matheson said he met the Joshis at a House party during his first campaign. “They appreciated my approach and supported me ever since.”

The Joshis have contributed $10,600 to Matheson so far this election cycle. The couple have also donated to other federal officials, such as Sen. Orrin Hatch, but in much smaller amounts. When contributions from all Ceramatec executives are combined, the company has contributed nearly $45,000 to Matheson since he first ran for office.

The Joshis have contributed $10,600 to Matheson so far this election cycle. The couple have also donated to other federal officials, such as Sen. Orrin Hatch, but in much smaller amounts. When contributions from all Ceramatec executives are combined, the company has contributed nearly $45,000 to Matheson since he first ran for office.

The Joshis have contributed $10,600 to Matheson so far this election cycle. The couple have also donated to other federal officials, such as Sen. Orrin Hatch, but in much smaller amounts. When contributions from all Ceramatec executives are combined, the company has contributed nearly $45,000 to Matheson since he first ran for office.

Internet Fraud-definition

Internet Fraud

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A crime in which the perpetrator develops a scheme using one or more elements of the Internet to deprive a person of property or any interest, estate, or right by a false representation of a matter of fact, whether by providing misleading information or by concealment of information.

Unjust enrichment--definition

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Unjust enrichment is a legal term denoting a particular type of causative event in which one party is unjustly enriched at the expense of another, and an obligation to make restitution arises, regardless of liability for wrongdoing.^[1]

Definition:
1.n. a benefit by mistake or chance. Morally and ethically the one who gains a benefit that he or she has not paid or worked for should not keep it to the rightful owner's detriment. The party that received money, services or property that should have been delivered to or belonged to another must make restitution to the rightful owner. A court may order such restitution in a lawsuit brought by the party who should rightly have the money or property. ^[2].

2. n. A general equitable principle that a person should not profit at another's expense and therefore should make restitution for the reasonable value of any property, services, or other benefits that have been unfairly received and retained. ^[3]
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Extortion--Elements of Offense

Elements of Offense

Virtually all extortion statutes require that a threat must be made to the person or property of the victim. Threats to harm the victim's friends or relatives may also be included. It is not necessary for a threat to involve physical injury. It may be sufficient to threaten to accuse another person of a crime or to expose a secret that would result in public embarrassment or ridicule. The threat does not have to relate to an unlawful act.

Other types of threats sufficient to constitute extortion include those to harm the victim's business and those to either testify against the victim or withhold testimony necessary to his or her defense or claim in an administrative proceeding or a lawsuit. Many statutes also provide that any threat to harm another person in his or her career or reputation is extortion.

Under the common law and many statutes, an intent to take money or property to which one is not lawfully entitled must exist at the time of the threat in order to establish extortion. Statutes may contain words such as "willful" or "purposeful" in order to indicate the intent element. When this is so, someone who mistakenly believes he or she is entitled to the money or property cannot be guilty of extortion. Some statutes, however, provide that any unauthorized taking of money by an officer constitutes extortion. Under these statutes, a person may be held strictly liable for the act, and an intent need not be proven to establish the crime.

Statutes governing extortion by private persons vary in content. Many hold that a threat accompanied by the intent to acquire the victim's property is sufficient to establish the crime; others require that the property must actually be acquired as a result of the threat. Extortion by officials is treated similarly. Some statutes hold that the crime occurs when there is a meeting of the minds between the officer and the party from whom the money is exacted.

Criminal Fraud.... What is "fraud"? Legislated definitions are too complicated so here are three simple explanations expressed in different ways.

Criminal Fraud....

What is "fraud"? Legislated definitions are too complicated so here are three simple explanations expressed in different ways.

1. "All multifarious means which human ingenuity can devise, and which are resorted to by one individual to get an advantage over another by false suggestions or suppression of the truth. It includes all surprises, tricks, cunning or dissembling (disguising, concealing), and any unfair way which another is cheated." [Black's Law Dictionary, 5th edition]

2. "Deceitful conduct designed to manipulate another person to give something of value by (1) lying, (2) by repeating something that is or ought to have been known by the fraudulent party as false or suspect or (3) by concealing a fact from the other party which may have saved that party from being cheated. The existence of fraud will cause a court to void a contract and can give rise to criminal liability. [Duhaime's Online Legal Dictionary]

3. "Lying and stealing and cheating for gain"

Nando responds to Hartvigsen's retraction of fraudulent copyright claims, June 4, 2010

e: Hartvigsen: "I am willing to post that I was wrong on the copyright issue if you want bring this up again....

From:	Nando ... View Contact
To:	mjgnecco@aprotec.com.co; c.glasspool@verizon.net; georgegetz@bellsouth.net; maggie@fogartyfamily.org; nwgpa@yahoo.com; idaminer40@yahoo.com; idaminer@live.com; davis ron

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I was cleaning my PC and had suspended some mail rules at the moment that RON DAVIS sent this message -- unhappily it came in !!!.

Ron Davis has been blocked for many moons due to instable mind and behavior

It is time that RON stop this nonsense -- that periodically occurs like a woman menstrual period or every time he tries to sell a turbine and fails.

I am in this ENDLESS loop because I have not accepted his behavior when I was in the middle, assisting Joe Hartvigsen that was sending some items to him and even planning to go to Bolivia and visit him to show him how to build and design a good Turbine and than the one he has.-- trip I canceled when learned of his behavior and dishonesty-- which placed me as a target for his attacks .

Dishonesty has been clearly demonstrated when he failed to deliver either the money paid for two turbines or the money returned to the senders GINNEE & FELIPE HANCOCK , in Costa Rica that up to today they have not being able to install a (new never arrived) Turbine to have some electricity -- I checked with Ginnee to make sure if the money was returned -- Ginnee will report via the MicroHydro group if such occurs.

The list of emails from Ron's message is one that Ron thinks that the owners of them are backing him -- I hope that all of you do question him and ask explicity these points -- because others have tried to get a response from him and No answers have been forthcoming .

Also, he has said the Wim the micro hydro gorup owner has NOT allowed him to defend himself, the TRUE FACT is that he has NOT done so, he ask questions unrelated to the necessary statement he needs to say - and directly demonstrate that he has returned the money or sent the two turbine to Ginnee and Felipe Hancock in Costa Rica .

Pestering Ginnee so often that she stops using an email address -- attacking her and demanding to declare world wide that RON DAVIS is an honest and reliable person -- and so ON and ON.

Sending a long mail filled with garbage specially his writing that do not show any basis or footings to have a truth in them.

I call on those that are, as well, plastered periodically with his messages to either tell him to stop sending to you those senseless messages or to show that he is right or to recognize his error and correct his dishonesty.

Nando

The National Crime Prevention Council--Cyber-bullying defined

Cyber-bullying defined

The National Crime Prevention Council's definition of cyber-bullying is "when the Internet, cell phones or other devices are used to send or post text or images intended to hurt or embarrass another person."

Cyber-bullying can be as simple as continuing to send e-mail to someone who has said they want no further contact with the sender, but it may also include threats, sexual remarks, pejorative labels (i.e., hate speech), ganging up on victims by making them the subject of ridicule in forums, and posting false statements as fact aimed at humiliation.

Cyber-bullies may disclose victims' personal data (e.g. real name, address, or workplace/schools) at websites or forums or may pose as the identity of a victim for the purpose of publishing material in their name that defames or ridicules them. Some cyberbullies may also send threatening and harassing emails and instant messages to the victims, while other post rumors or gossip and instigate others to dislike and gang up on the target.

Nando--Joe is good fellow assisting the hydro projects.....Oct. 5, 2010

Hartvigsen letter to editor of Mormon Magazine, Sunstone Sept.25, 06

Hartvigsen to Dan Wotherspoon, editor of Sunstone, Mormon Magazine


Flag this messageRe: Fwd: Re: Re: Impersonating an LDS BishopMonday, September 25, 2006 2:50 PM
From: This sender is DomainKeys verified "Joseph Hartvigsen" Add sender to Contacts To: "Dan Wotherspoon" Cc: "davis ron" , rrees@utah.govDan,
Ron has forwarded your comments to me. I don't know how you know Ron,
perhaps he has just emailed with some sensational claims as he has last
week to a deseret news reporter. Anyway contrary to his claims I did
not ask that this be brought to my bishop, rather Ron insisted, and as
I had nothing to hide I agreed. The Robert Rees in question is Bishop
of the Highlands Ward, Kaysville UT Haight Creek stake, and is an
employee (attorney with the legislature) of the State of Utah (hence a
utah.gov email adress). Anyone familiar with the church can easily
verify this. Think about it, why would I use an official government
address to fake a response from a church leader? Ron accuses me of
faking the email and impersonating someone else, which I have not done,
while he has on at least two occasions posted "questions" about me
using bogus contrived identities.

The supposed misdeeds in question center on his lack of understanding
of intelectual property laws.

1. He asked me to have my employer evaluate an invention of his which
we did at considerable expense to the company. In the process we made
some improvements. The company's owner offered to bear the cost to
patent and market the invention in exchange for a generous royalty (~4x
what we get when we license our technology to someone else). What threw
Ron was that the owner detailed that the patent would include our
improvements, and hence would list Ron as primary inventors and those
who added as co-inventors. Patent law requires all inventors be (an
inventor being based on the originator of material covered in any
patent claim, hence if other people made improvements or additions
which require additional caims they are co-inventors) listed or the
patent can be invalidated.

He sees this as an attempt to steal his invention, when it only
strengthens it. Due to his irrational response, the company dropped it
and told him to do what he wanted to do with it alone. We lost money,
he still has what he had to start with. The company has not and will
not ever do anything more with the idea.

2. I sold Ron a water turbine blade that I received from a fellow in
Sweden. Ron copied it. He didn't just copying the idea, he used the
part to form a mold to make identical replicas. The fellow (now a
business partner) in Sweden requested that I collect from Ron a $2/part
royalty. Ron doesn't think we have the right to do so. We dropped the
issue 5-6 years ago but he brought it up in public a few months back so
we addressed it. It is true that there is no patent, so the general
idea is not protected. The actual part (as "an original expression
fixed in a tangible medium") is protected without filing under US
copyright laws for the life of the creator + 75 years. The creator died
some 10 years ago, and his widow sold the rights to my partner in
Sweden. Tracing the rights is as simple as following the parts. The
person who is now the only source in the world of these parts is also
the one controlling the copyright. Ron claims it is fraudulent to
request a royalty.

So Ron will vigorously defend his IP (against a proposed cooperative
venture for an improved product) while trampling that of others. His
harrassment, were he here in the US, could land him in court. As he has
no assets of note and lives in Bolivia he feels he can do what he wants
without recourse. I really don't want anything from him except to leave
me alone.

I have not done anything illegal, immoral or even unkind in my dealings
with Ron. In both cases I've just tried to help him and have received
nothing but trouble in return. I have not used my religion to gain his
trust. My religion is a big part of who I am and so it was part of our
discussions before Ron's paranoia got the worst of him.

I really don't know how to end this so Ron will quit harrassing me,
you, Bishop Rees, and others.

Joe



--- davis ron wrote:
>
>
> --- Dan Wotherspoon wrote:
>
> > From: "Dan Wotherspoon"
> > To: "davis ron"
> > Subject: Re: Re: Impersonating an LDS Bishop
> > Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 09:09:22 -0600
> >
> > The name Robert Rees is certainly not uncommon.
> > From the response of the
> > Bob Rees I know, he certainly isn't surprised that
> > someone living in Utah
> > might have his name. This won't be a matter he'd
> > want to get involved with,
> > so I won't be forwarding you his email address.
> >
> > From the context of It seems to me that you are of
> > the impression that the
> > title of "bishop" is similar in scope in Mormonism
> > as it is in Catholicism.
> > This isn't the case. Mormonism has a lay
> > priesthood, and every LDS "ward"
> > (congregation) has a bishop. And there are tens of
> > thousands of wards in
> > the world, and the role of bishop rotates to another
> > person every five years
> > or so. So, for instance, my friend Bob Rees was
> > once in the role of bishop
> > but hasn't served in that capacity for twenty years
> > or so. Hence your
> > assumptions about this being alarming and surpise
> > over what you see as a
> > lack of response, if it is indeed a case of
> > impersonation, are a bit
> > overinflated. This isn't like a Catholic bishop who
> > is even higher in the
> > hierarchy than a priest. LDS bishops receive no
> > theological training and do
> > not draw a salary, they are simply volunteers who
> > have agreed to lead a
> > congregation for a few years. Certainly they
> > counsel and on occasion
> > administer things like Church discipline, but
> > typically they are just good
> > guys trying their best to help members of their ward
> > feel connected and
> > engaged and grow spiritually.
> >
> > I really don't know the issues in your complaint
> > against this person or your
> > associate who wanted this person to arbitrate your
> > disagreement, but it
> > seems to me that you should just go to a civil
> > authority instead. If your
> > associate is using his supposed "faithful Mormon
> > insider" status to defraud
> > people, prosecute the hell out of him for the fraud.
> > Trading on Mormon
> > belief and touting one's piety is indeed immoral,
> > and I'm hoping there's a
> > special kind of torment for such folks who do so
> > with the intention of
> > gaining undeserved trust, but it seems to me best to
> > bring it to the courts
> > and realm of public discourse so this person will be
> > exposed and won't be
> > able to use that kind of leverage again.
> >
> > Good luck,
> > Dan
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "davis ron"
> > To: ;
> > Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 8:26 AM
> > Subject: Re: Re: Impersonating an LDS Bishop
> >
> >
> > > Sept. 25, 06
> > >
> > > Hello Dan,
> > >
> > > Thank you for your response. I'm sure that you
> > > are very busy.
> > > I would like to communicate directly with bishop
> > > Rees in order to provide him with information
> > > regarding this matter so he can bring charges
> > against
> > > the individual impersonating him. May I please
> > have
> > > his e-mail address?
> > > I'm sure the LDS Church would be very interested
> > as
> > > well. Or at least, I hope so. Who should I write
> > to?
> > >
> > > I am certainly owed an explanation. Do you not
> > agree?
> > > Mainly, I want to make sure that the authentic
> > > Bishop Rees had no part whatsoever in this matter.
> > > I have been very surprised at the lack of
> > response.
> > > Perhaps this kind of thing happens more often than
> > I
> > > could have possibly imagined.
> > >
> > > All the best, and thank you again,
> > >
> > > Ron Davis
> > > Campo Nuevo,
> > > La Paz, Bolivia
> > > 591 2 2493646, 591 71527700
> > > watermotor.net
> > >
> > > --- Dan Wotherspoon
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Ron,
> > >>
> > >> I'm running a magazine and a small, overreaching
> > >> non-profit organization
> > >> Sorry, I just don't have time to get involved. I
> > >> hesitated to even reply in
> > >> the first place but the mention of the name of a
> > >> friend sent me into it only
> > >> as far as whether it was him or not.
> > >>
> > >> Surely you have a friend in the US who has a
> > stake
> > >> in the issues related to
> > >> your dispute and would make the inquiries for you
> > at
> > >> LDS headquarters about
> > >> who the bishop is for a person living at that
> > >> address.
> > >>
> > >> Best of luck,
> > >> Dan Wotherspoon
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "davis ron"
> > >> To: "Dan Wotherspoon"
> > >> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 2:29 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: Re: Impersonating an LDS Bishop
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Dan,
> > >> > I don't know if I mentioned that I am in South
> > >> > America.
> > >> >
> > >> > Hartvigsen's address is:
> > >> >
> > >> > 1529 South 400 East
> > >> > Kaysville, UT 84037 USA
> > >> >
> > >> > Does that help?
> > >> > Ron
> > >> >
> > >> > --- Dan Wotherspoon
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> My guess is there are about two dozen or more
> > LDS
> > >> >> bishops in Kaysville,
> > >> >> Utah. You'll need to find out the exact name
> > of
> > >> the
> > >> >> ward this guy is
> > >> >> pretending to be the bishop of. With that
> > name
> > >> in
> > >> >> hand, you can either call
> > >> >> the LDS Church headquarters to get the name
> > and
> > >> >> phone number of the real
> > >> >> bishop of that ward (240-1000 is their general
> > >> >> information line, which can
> > >> >> direct you to the right department for that
> > info)
> > >> or
> > >> >> simply look it up in
> > >> >> the white pages under Church of Jesus Christ
> > of
> > >> >> Latter-day Saints, then find
> > >> >> the Kaysville stake this ward is in, then
> > you'll
> > >> see
> > >> >> listings of each ward
> > >> >> below that.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I wrote to Bob Rees in California when you
> > first
> > >> >> mentioned his name. He
> > >> >> wrote the following back:
> > >> >>
>
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Blind Carbon Copy: The Watermotor: renewable energy for poor rural areas

Blind Carbon Copy: The Watermotor: renewable energy for poor rural areas: "Ben Courtice"

Hartvigsen puts photos of damaged turgo spoons on site, Feb.28, 09

Max,
Sorry to be so slow but it has been a busy week at work so I haven't
had much time to spend on hydro.

I've put some photos in this folder in the group's file area
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/microhydro/files/Copied_Runner/
There are two new photos with views of a runner made with low quality
aluminum castings. Text to the runner are the original plastic spoons
which were used to make these un-authorized aluminum copies and for
comparison the precision investment cast stainless steel which is heat
treated for high hardness and tensile strength. One of the stainless
spoons is shown with the optional polished surface.

I have a good camera but for file size I've reduced the resolution. It
is still hard to really show the difference in a photo compared to
directly viewing the parts. However, these copies are bad enough that
you can see many of the defects.

I've also put photos of the original 16 orange turgo runner I made 10
years ago for my system. These photos are probably elsewhere in the
group area and on Wim's site but I put them here for comparison.


Joe

Nando to Yahoo microhydro group: "..copyrighted Turgo spoons is killing the WATERMOTOR project and YOU KNOW IT", March 4, 2009

Nando: "..the copyrighted Turgo spoons is killing the WATERMOTOR project and YOU KNOW IT" "...and Joe
asked me to assist her". March 4, 2009

Reply Message #11665 of 12578 <>
Re: [microhydro] Open Letter to Wim Klunne---Re "Nando" alert March 4, 09

RON:

Wrong and You Know that is not like that -- you have worded the message
carefully to your liking.

I never contacted a client of yours in Costa Rica, Ginnee due to the flak and
garbage you sent to her, because she have to have bronze Turgo spoons , in where
you included flak with Joe Hartvigsen name and she searched for him and Joe
asked me to assist her .

I was not aware of the existence of Ginnee, until I got the message which was
already a long time after the problem was in existence -- Ron , yourself, gave
Ginnee the parameters for her to ask for help, your obsession to use the
copyrighted Turgo spoons is killing the WATERMOTOR project and YOU KNOW IT --
but continues with the same downfall path -- instead of correcting yourself and
give yourself a better chance to continue with your life peacefully.

I do not care about you, and I am not try to be your enemy or detractor -- just
change your behavior and give peace to yourself and who contact you !!.

Ginnee order of turbines and what ever happened after that is her own decision
and Joe or I were not involved at all -- we appeared long after the problem was
in existence -- for sure

The aluminum issue was Ginnee alone and it was good for her -- and after my
linking with her and knowing what she site has, I concur with her -- and you
should have respected her true order and not tried to change for your own
benefit !!.

Nando


----- Original Message -----
From: Otto Rike
To: microhydro@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [microhydro] Open Letter to Wim Klunne---Re "Nando" alert March
4, 09


Message to Klunne-re Nando, March 4, 09

From: Otto Rike
Subject: "Nando" just for the record
To: "Wim Klunne"
Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 10:18 PM

Wim,

It seems that "Nando" has contacted a client of ours in Costa Rica through
your group who had ordered two Watermotors with aluminum runners in order to
convince her that aluminum is worthless for turbine blades, and that I was just
trying to cheat her. This caused her to threaten to cancel her order, as
intended.
Then she began to demand bronze runners from me at no charge. This has, as
intended, caused a lot of trouble.
As you know, this is not the first time "Nando" has done this sort of
thing.
I reported another incident of this sort in which he sent hate mail about
me to a member who had expressed interest in helping a small water powered
lighting project here in Bolivia.
When I asked you to take some kind of action to prevent this type of
behavior on your site, you expelled me from the group.

I want to know what you intend to do about it this time.

Ron Davis
watermotor@...

--- On Tue, 10/27/09, alberto rivera wrote:

From: alberto rivera
Subject: Re: [microhydro] Open Letter to Wim Klunne---what proof did you ask
from Hancock, "Nando"?
To: microhydro@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 4:22 PM



Now that Wim has given clearance for Ron Davis to respond, and Ginnee's
questions are quite explicit and unambiguous, Ron's straightforward reply
would be a great opportunity to clear his name. Ron? We should put a closure to
this soonest.

Thanks & regards.

Rocky

--- On Tue, 10/27/09, Wim Jonker Klunne
wrote:

From: Wim Jonker Klunne

Subject: Re: [microhydro] Open Letter to Wim Klunne---what proof did you ask
from Hancock, "Nando"?

To: microhydro@yahoogro ups.com

Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 3:15 PM



Dear Group,

As a follow-up on the email sent by Ginnee several messages have been

sent by Ron Davis all with a similar content that he was (uncorrectly)

assuming that he would not be allowed to respond to the message by

Ginnee. Although I immediately responded to him that he would certainly

be allowed to respond, the message below was his reaction.

I just want to ensure both the group and Ron that I will allow Ron to

respond to the message by Ginnee.

Kind regards,

Wim

davis ron wrote:

>Wim,

>

>Wim,

> For several years you have been publishing highly damaging accusations about
me, to which I am not allowed to reply, and have just done so again. Have you
ever asked Hartvigsen or Ruyter for proof of their defamatory statements about
me posted on your site? Did you ask Ginnee Hancock for any proof at all for her
statements?

>

> Well, as we see she has already told everyone she will NOT provide the email
record to support her accusations.

> What she is telling everybody is that YOU did not ask her for any proof nor
did you verify her statements. She knew she didnt have to because you will not
ask for it.

> Where does that leave you?

>

> The group members should know about this.

>

>Ron Davis

>

Hartvigsen Announces Takeover of Turgo Design : "Basically, the spoons are orphans that Peter found and we adopted". Nov. 7, 02

Hartvigsen Announces Takeover of Turgo Design : "Basically, the spoons are orphans that Peter found and
we adopted". Nov. 7, 02

November 7, 2002

At 13:33 02/10/30 -0700, you wrote:
Hi Ron,
I look forward to your dyno data. The only good
numbers I have
are for the combination of turbine and generator
being 50%
efficient using a 1/3 hp DC brush type motor and a
9/32" nozzle
with about 50' of head. These aren't really ideal
conditions.
The motor was much larger than needed for the output.
The
nozzle much smaller than ideal for the blue spoons.
I'd really
like to see numbers with something like a 1/2" nozzle
and
a direct measurement on the turbine rather than
electric output.

I'll look at the return address on the spoon mailers
for an
address for Ingela Carlsson. Peter said she is about
2 hrs north
of him "in the woods". I have a postcard note from
her that
came in one of the shipments here in my briefcase,
but it
doesn't have an address. I asked Peter if she had any
design
info, or the injection molding die, or test data,
etc. He has asked
and she doesn't. Her husband died something like 10
years before
Peter met her. She and her sons don't want to have
anything
to do with it as they blame his heart attack on his
hydro obsession.
Basically, the spoons are orphans that Peter found and
we adopted.
Joe

From Hartvigsen's "Bishop", Robert H. Rees, July 6, 09

On Wed, 7/6/05, Robert Rees wrote:

From: Robert Rees
Subject: Re: Hartvigsen
To: watermotor@yahoo.com
Cc: jjh@ceramatec.com
Date: Wednesday, July 6, 2005, 6:25 PM

Mr. Davis,



Thank you for your email messages regarding the apparent dispute between you

and Joseph Hartvigsen. I am the bishop or ecclestiastical leader of the local

unit of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints of which Mr. Hartvigsen

is a member. I wish I were in a position to be able to help resolve your

dispute. However, the Church's disciplinary council system is designed to

assist a member of the Church who has engaged in conduct contrary to Church

teachings to repent and return to good standing. It is not intended to resolve

disputes between individuals. I have known Mr. Hartvigsen for roughly 13

years. He is an upstanding and honorable person and has not done anything of

which I am aware to put his standing in the Church in question. He turned to me

in apparent frustration over not being successful in his efforts to resolve the

dispute with you. But there is really nothing I can do to help. I wish you

well.



Sincerely,



Bob Rees





>>> davis ron 06/25/05 11:33 AM

>>>

June 25, 05



Hello Mr. Rees,



Greetings from Bolivia.



Joseph Hartvigsen had suggested that we submit a

dispute between us to a church disciplinary committee,

to which he would be willing to present all of the

relevant evidence regarding the matters, consisting

entirely of e-mails between himself, his company, and

us.

I indicated that I would be willing to do the same.

Now he is saying that he will only present to his

church authorities only what he is specifically asked

for. Is that a normal procedure when examining an

ethical matter regarding a church member?

Is it possible that he actually made a prior

agreement with the LDS committee that he himself would

be allowed to pick and choose the material on which

they are to base their judgment?

All of the e-mail correspondence between Hartvigsen

and ourselves is relevant to our dispute, and I would

think very much of interest to the LDS church because

he was constantly referring to his own and his

family's relationship to the LDS religion, his LDS

family history, sending me letters from his missionary

son, telling me about the Book of Mormon, even

offering to send missionaries to our home.

Unfortunately, we have come to feel that he was using

his religion to help obtain our confidence, not out of

interest for our spiritual betterment, because it now

seems that he was at the same time engaged in

calculated dishonesty for personal gain.

If so, this would constitute outrageous betrayal of

one's professed faith, and a crime of magnitude in any

authentic religion.

I feel that he now expects his own church

disciplinary committee to help him cover up both his

dishonesty and betrayal.

I feel that by agreeing to allow an organization

with which Hartvigsen and his family have well-known

and substantial connections, and one justly famous for

protecting their own, to review this matter, we are

demonstrating good faith on our part.

Can Hartvigsen say the same?



We could have suggested that we submit the matter

to a similar committee of our own faith. Would

Hartvigsen ever have agreed to this arrangement?



We are quite willing to turn over everything we have

regarding these matters, and expect the same from Mr.

Hartvigsen.

What possible excuse can he have for asking me to

agree to intercession by his church, then, after I

accept, now refusing to freely present whatever

evidence is available? How could this be acceptable to

the committee?

We would be happy to discuss this matter with the

LDS church disciplinary committee if we knew how to

contact them. Could you yourself please send us the

appropriate address?



All the best,



Ron Davis, Diane Bellomy



Campo Nuevo,

La Paz, Bolivia,

tel. 591 2 2493646

watermotor@yahoo.com

www.watermotor.net

Ceramatec's Hartvigsen leader of INEEL Federal Nuclear Energy project, Nov. 29, 04

Nov. 29, 04 Hartvigsen leader of INEEL hydrogen Bechtel

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Idaho lab, Utah company achieve major milestone in hydrogen research

SALT LAKE CITY -- Researchers at the U.S. Department of Energy’s Idaho National Engineering and Environmental Laboratory and Ceramatec, Inc. of Salt Lake City are reporting a significant development in their efforts to help the nation advance toward a clean hydrogen economy.

Laboratory teams have announced they’ve achieved a major advancement in the production of hydrogen from water using high-temperature electrolysis. Instead of conventional electrolysis, which uses only electric current to separate hydrogen from water, high-temperature electrolysis enhances the efficiency of the process by adding substantial external heat – such as high-temperature steam from an advanced nuclear reactor system. Such a high-temperature system has the potential to achieve overall conversion efficiencies in the 45 percent to 50 percent range, compared to approximately 30 percent for conventional electrolysis. Added benefits include the avoidance of both greenhouse gas emissions and fossil fuel consumption.

“We’ve shown that hydrogen can be produced at temperatures and pressures suitable for a Generation IV reactor,” said lead INEEL researcher Steve Herring. “The simple and modular approach we’ve taken with our research partners produces either hydrogen or electricity, and most notable of all – achieves the highest-known production rate of hydrogen by high-temperature electrolysis.”

This development is viewed as a crucial first step toward large-scale production of hydrogen from water, rather than fossil fuels.

The major private-sector collaborator has been Ceramatec, Inc. located at 2425 S. 900 West, Salt Lake City. “We’re pleased that the technology created over the nearly two decades dedicated to high-temperature fuel cell research at Ceramatec is directly applicable to hydrogen production by steam electrolysis,” said Ashok Joshi, Ph.D., Ceramatec chief executive officer.

“In fact, both fuel cell and hydrogen generation functionality can be embodied in a single device capable of seamless transition between the two modes. These years of investment, both public and private, in high temperature fuel cell research have enabled the Ceramatec-INEEL team to move quickly and achieve this important milestone toward establishing hydrogen as a part of our national energy strategy.”

“This research is the INEEL’s response to a national challenge to help the United States advance the President’s Hydrogen Fuel Initiative,” said Michael Anderson, DOE-Idaho initiative lead for the project. Anderson also hailed the steady focus from INEEL researchers and their partners for their determined efforts to overcome many research challenges to advance the technology.

“This research effort – building on the regional expertise Idaho and Utah have in this area – shows the INEEL is a hub for hydrogen technology development,” said DOE-Idaho Deputy Manager John Kotek.

The hydrogen production rate achievement of 50 normal liters (standard temperature and pressure) of hydrogen per hour is an initial result, midway through a more than three-year effort by a team of researchers at the INEEL that includes Herring, Carl Stoots, James O’Brien, Will Windes and Paul Lessing.

Hydrogen Production Research
Secretary of Energy Spencer Abraham recently announced a grant of nearly $2 million to a Ceramatec-led effort teaming with the INEEL, the University of Washington and Hoeganaes Corp. to continue work in the broad area of high-temperature electrolysis and fuel cell development. This new grant will work to enlarge by 100 times the size of a hybrid solid oxide fuel cell (SOFC) that is capable of co-generating high-purity hydrogen and electric power from natural gas. The program will build on a cell stack architecture of alternating flat cells and gas distribution plates invented at Ceramatec for NASA.

“Cell designs and fabrication processes, which are scalable to a commercially practical size, are essential to securing our energy future,” said Ceramatec senior engineer Joseph Hartvigsen, who will lead the project.

Dave Swank, INEEL Thermal Spray Research Team lead, says he and his colleagues will leverage this new funding to focus on refining the fabrication of fuel cell electrodes using plasma spray coating processes.

“Our team has worked for over 15 years to develop process diagnostics that are now being put to use to improve and develop thermally sprayed coatings for industry,” Swank said. Thermal spray research team members include D.C. Haggard, Tim Hyde, Randy Bewley and Rich Williamson.

Ceramatec has nearly three decades of research and development experience in advanced electrochemical ceramic energy systems, and is considered one of the world leaders in planar SOFC systems. Cells have operated for over 40,000 hours, and cell stacks are routinely built and evaluated. Recent efforts have expanded to include developing technologies for hydrogen production and purification from a wide range of primary energy sources. The Ceramatec fabrication technology approach has emphasized the use of mature, low-cost fabrication processes that are easily scaled to mass production. Ceramatec has been involved in the research and development of ionic ceramics ever since it was founded in 1976.

The INEEL is a science-based, multiprogram national laboratory dedicated to advancing the U.S. Department of Energy's strategic goals in the areas of environment, energy, science and national security. It is the home of science and engineering solutions and is operated for the DOE by Bechtel BWXT Idaho, LLC.

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Robert H. Rees:" I am the bishop....of the local unit of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" July 6, 05

Robert H. Rees:" I am the bishop....of the local unit of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" July 6, 05
From: Robert Rees
Subject: Re: Hartvigsen
To: watermotor@yahoo.com
Cc: jjh@ceramatec.com
Date: Wednesday, July 6, 2005, 6:25 PM

Mr. Davis,

Thank you for your email messages regarding the apparent dispute between you and Joseph Hartvigsen. I am the bishop or ecclestiastical leader of the local unit of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints of which Mr. Hartvigsen is a member. I wish I were in a position to be able to help resolve your dispute. However, the Church's disciplinary council system is designed to assist a member of the Church who has engaged in conduct contrary to Church teachings to repent and return to good standing. It is not intended to resolve disputes between individuals. I have known Mr. Hartvigsen for roughly 13 years. He is an upstanding and honorable person and has not done anything of which I am aware to put his standing in the Church in question. He turned to me in apparent frustration over not being successful in his efforts to resolve the dispute with you. But there is really nothing I can do to help. I wish you well.

Sincerely,

Bob Rees

Wim Klunne, Yahoo Microhydro Group List Owner: No Reply Permitted, March 5, 09

Klunne March 5, 09 No reply permitted, Message not approved: Open letter to Wim Klunne,



From: Wim Klunne
Subject: Message not approved: Open letter to Wim Klunne
To: "Otto Rike"
Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 9:37 PM


Dear Ron,

I was still doubting whether to allow this message, but your message of today regarding terrorist aquisitions cleared my mind....

Wim


>
> Open letter to Wim Klunne,
> I am asking you one more time--let me reply!!!
>
> Once again you have published highly damaging and libelous messages posted by Joseph Hartvigsen and his cohort "Nando" regarding me and my Watermotor turbines on your Yahoo microhydro e-group site.
>
> The purpose of these messages is clearly to damage my business, our Watermotor project, and my personal reputation.
>
> You are well aware that Hartvigsen cannot provide factual support for the many damaging statements you have published.
>
> In fact, I specifically warned you that the anonymous member "Nando" had contacted a customer through your e-group in order to get her to cancel her order by convincing her that aluminum was useless for turbine runners. You still allowed him to post this garbage. This shows a considerable lack of respect for the membership on your part, and a complete lack of professional ethics.
> Because once again you took no reasonable precaution to insure the information you published was accurate or fair, nor heeded my warning, you have committed criminal defamation.
> To compound this crime you secretly prevent me from responding to these statements, deliberately leading the members to believe I had posted no response.
> This behavior is highly unethical and morally corrupt. Especially so, since you are well aware that you are actively helping Joseph Hartvigsen to defraud the entire microhydro community into believing what is not so.
>
> Ron Davis
> watermotor.net
> watermotor@yahoo.com